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You and I are different and I have no agreement with your conclusions. Eat and rest are also things that do well to be moderated. You mention chains but modes

You and I are different and I have no agreement with your conclusions. Eat and rest are also things that do well to be moderated. You mention chains but modesty and purity is a form of freedom from basal desire and unpleasantness. And many times in society we make socially responsible decisions. For example, it is pretty much understandable that drinking culture in the US with driving has been dangerous, thus DUI laws. Similarly, encouraging modesty in society and cultivating shyness protects against many harms to society, like increased relationships out of wedlock, greed (modesty is also about humbleness and avoiding looking at what others have), and objectification/commercialization of the human body.

jemmyw 4y ago
Nothing wrong with relationships out of wedlock. That's how you find out who you like and what you like. You have your freedom concept upside down. Like I say, you are free to lock yourself in a room if you can't control your own desires, and that way the rest of us can get on with our lives. This sounds like your problem and nobody elses.
- erenyeager 4y ago
  Many examples worldwide of people getting married happily and successfully without extended courting, cohabitation, and premarital relations. And you are free to leave off arguing and jabs but seems that desire still pulls you in. I am done with this discussion, and freely choosing to end it.
  - jemmyw 4y ago
    Sure, there's many examples of many things, but that's not really significant. The point of being free to court, cohabit and have relations is that you're also free not to do those things. Why restrict other people from doing what they want in this context just because you don't want to? Yeah but I'm OK with it, and I kept coming back because you never address the central issue. Why do other people have to moderate themselves because of your desires? I doubt you'll read this but here's a simple thought experiment. If you went away on vacation and came back and found that everyone in your office had decided to work wearing only underwear, for how long exactly would this bother you and prevent work? I reckon I'd be distracted for maybe 5 minutes. I've seen all there is to see already, as has every other adult in the room. Desire should come from intimacy and possibility, not from seeing someone dressed in what is, in your opinion, provocative. What about the people who find moderate dress sexy and overtly sexy clothing a turn off, where do they exist in your world?

jemmyw 4y ago

Nothing wrong with relationships out of wedlock. That's how you find out who you like and what you like. You have your freedom concept upside down. Like I say, you are free to lock yourself in a room if you can't control your own desires, and that way the rest of us can get on with our lives. This sounds like your problem and nobody elses.

erenyeager 4y ago
Many examples worldwide of people getting married happily and successfully without extended courting, cohabitation, and premarital relations. And you are free to leave off arguing and jabs but seems that desire still pulls you in. I am done with this discussion, and freely choosing to end it.
- jemmyw 4y ago
  Sure, there's many examples of many things, but that's not really significant. The point of being free to court, cohabit and have relations is that you're also free not to do those things. Why restrict other people from doing what they want in this context just because you don't want to? Yeah but I'm OK with it, and I kept coming back because you never address the central issue. Why do other people have to moderate themselves because of your desires? I doubt you'll read this but here's a simple thought experiment. If you went away on vacation and came back and found that everyone in your office had decided to work wearing only underwear, for how long exactly would this bother you and prevent work? I reckon I'd be distracted for maybe 5 minutes. I've seen all there is to see already, as has every other adult in the room. Desire should come from intimacy and possibility, not from seeing someone dressed in what is, in your opinion, provocative. What about the people who find moderate dress sexy and overtly sexy clothing a turn off, where do they exist in your world?