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I've been using Borg for years. It's great! The deduplication feature allows me to take a "full" backup of my work station hourly. Taking frequent backups like

I've been using Borg for years. It's great! The deduplication feature allows me to take a "full" backup of my work station hourly. Taking frequent backups like this has already saved my bacon a number times in cases where I accidentally mangled/deleted a file I didn't mean to touch. I recently stumbled upon the release notes for the (WIP) v2: https://www.borgbackup.org/releases/borg-2.0.html https://www.borgbackup.org/releases/borg-2.0.html. Seems to address quite a few of the pain points of v1.

BrotherBisquick 4y ago
I wonder what exactly will happen when v2 hits the Arch main repo. Will my automated hourly backups (via the Borgmatic wrapper) just start throwing errors and stop working?
Derbasti 4y ago
Same here, using it for years! The deduplication allowed me to move from Windows to Linux, while keeping a consistent backup. It's great stuff!
m3nu 4y ago
Yepp. Version 2 got rid of lots of legacy code and cleaned up CLI args a bit. Will be around 5 to 20% faster than the v1.2 branch. https://github.com/borgbase/benchmarks https://github.com/borgbase/benchmarks
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  Yeah, last time I tried, it was impressive, but kinda slow and limited to execution on a single core. Eager to take another look at Borg and Kopia, etc.
  - unaindz 4y ago
    Take a look into bupstash, multithreaded and really fast.
beci 4y ago
Why do you miss kopia from your benchmark?
- trulyrandom 4y ago
  Did you mean to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153119 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153119?
  - m3nu 4y ago
    Probably. My benchmark was mostly to compare Borg v1.2 and v2 and some network optimizations. Restic was a stretch goal really. For Kopia, I do try it once a year, but I still find the docs and CLI args confusing. Running the server part behind a reverse proxy needs 2x HTTPS and searching the forum to get it somewhat working. For a webdav target, the progress display doesn't really work and it's not possible to cancel a backup run. So for now I'm observing and will retry next year.
mekster 4y ago
Too bad they couldn't target S3 endpoints or anything other than SSH for remote target on this breaking change or else it would've been the best of the bunch.
- notpushkin 4y ago
  I'm wondering if there's a less painful way to use Borg with https://rclone.org/ https://rclone.org/ than just maintaining a local Borg repo and then syncing that.
  - alwayslikethis 4y ago
    Theoretically you can mount rclone to a local directory, but realistically it doesn't work because in the absence of serverside borg it is very heavy on network IO and slows to a crawl, even for sshfs over a short physical distance. To use it remotely, you really need to have borg installed on a server. I currently do as you describe.
  - sriacha 4y ago
    I've used it with an rclone mount, it seems to work fine. See https://github.com/rclone/rclone/issues/3641 https://github.com/rclone/rclone/issues/3641.
- move-on-by 4y ago
  The GitHub ticket hints that support for cloud storage backends (s3) might come in a future release: as you see above, there is already a huge scope of what should be done. to not grow the scope even further, some stuff shall not be done (now): * no new locking system * no public key cryptography (neither by gpg nor by reinventing gpg for borg) * not adding cloud storage backends (like s3) https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/6602 https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/6602
- RainaRelanah 4y ago
  Take a look at Duplicacy, it's the only one that really hits all the sweet spots.
siraben 4y ago
Do you do your hourly backups locally or over SSH?

BrotherBisquick 4y ago

I wonder what exactly will happen when v2 hits the Arch main repo. Will my automated hourly backups (via the Borgmatic wrapper) just start throwing errors and stop working?

Derbasti 4y ago

Same here, using it for years! The deduplication allowed me to move from Windows to Linux, while keeping a consistent backup. It's great stuff!

m3nu 4y ago

Yepp. Version 2 got rid of lots of legacy code and cleaned up CLI args a bit. Will be around 5 to 20% faster than the v1.2 branch. https://github.com/borgbase/benchmarks https://github.com/borgbase/benchmarks

mustache_kimono 4y ago
Yeah, last time I tried, it was impressive, but kinda slow and limited to execution on a single core. Eager to take another look at Borg and Kopia, etc.
- unaindz 4y ago
  Take a look into bupstash, multithreaded and really fast.

beci 4y ago

Why do you miss kopia from your benchmark?

trulyrandom 4y ago
Did you mean to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153119 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34153119?
- m3nu 4y ago
  Probably. My benchmark was mostly to compare Borg v1.2 and v2 and some network optimizations. Restic was a stretch goal really. For Kopia, I do try it once a year, but I still find the docs and CLI args confusing. Running the server part behind a reverse proxy needs 2x HTTPS and searching the forum to get it somewhat working. For a webdav target, the progress display doesn't really work and it's not possible to cancel a backup run. So for now I'm observing and will retry next year.

mekster 4y ago

Too bad they couldn't target S3 endpoints or anything other than SSH for remote target on this breaking change or else it would've been the best of the bunch.

notpushkin 4y ago
I'm wondering if there's a less painful way to use Borg with https://rclone.org/ https://rclone.org/ than just maintaining a local Borg repo and then syncing that.
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  Theoretically you can mount rclone to a local directory, but realistically it doesn't work because in the absence of serverside borg it is very heavy on network IO and slows to a crawl, even for sshfs over a short physical distance. To use it remotely, you really need to have borg installed on a server. I currently do as you describe.
- sriacha 4y ago
  I've used it with an rclone mount, it seems to work fine. See https://github.com/rclone/rclone/issues/3641 https://github.com/rclone/rclone/issues/3641.
move-on-by 4y ago
The GitHub ticket hints that support for cloud storage backends (s3) might come in a future release: as you see above, there is already a huge scope of what should be done. to not grow the scope even further, some stuff shall not be done (now): * no new locking system * no public key cryptography (neither by gpg nor by reinventing gpg for borg) * not adding cloud storage backends (like s3) https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/6602 https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/6602
RainaRelanah 4y ago
Take a look at Duplicacy, it's the only one that really hits all the sweet spots.

siraben 4y ago

Do you do your hourly backups locally or over SSH?