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I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

bee_rider 4y ago
Life in Europe looks pretty nice from the outside at least. Could America sign up for self-vassalage or something?
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  Just from the outside
  - dzikimarian 4y ago
    I'm inside and I'm pretty happy comparing to alternatives.
    - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
      Happy to hear that. I am inside the US and have been inside and lived in many countries. As an immigrant from Asia, I am happy most in the US and so are millions of permanent immigrants including tens of thousands from Europe every year :)
      - dzikimarian 4y ago
        Great it works for you. :-) I spent some time traveling in various parts of the world and EU works best for me.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  That's because the US allowed Europe to do social spending instead of military spending in order to keep them from going Communist. And anyway, the result was a monstrously armed US and a defenseless Europe, so it was ultimately a win-win for America.
  - rnk 4y ago
    The US wanted to block communism for sure but we aren't organized enough to do subtle things in Europe. We didn't "let you" choose social safety nets over military spending, I say that in part because I've been hearing about insufficient euro military spending for many years. We must have advocated for block commies and military spending. ;-) The US must have tried to suppress communist parties in Italy etc after ww2, probably did terrible things.
bloppe 4y ago
I think you're giving American leadership way too much credit.
- eternalban 4y ago
  I don't think you parsed the comment correctly. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/991680.The_Anglo_American_Establishment https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/991680.The_Anglo_America... https://archive.org/details/pdfy-A7-BNmZpG-RLOXZZ https://archive.org/details/pdfy-A7-BNmZpG-RLOXZZ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley -- preface snippet (1981) --- The Rhodes Scholarships, established by the terms of Cecil Rhodes's seventh will, are known to everyone. What is not so widely known is that Rhodes in five previous wills left his fortune to form a secret society, which was to devote itself to the preservation and expansion of the British Empire. And what does not seem to be known to anyone is that this secret society was created by Rhodes and his principal trustee, Lord Milner, and continues to exist to this day. To be sure, this secret society is not a childish thing like the Ku Klux Klan, and it does not have any secret robes, secret handclasps, or secret passwords. It does not need any of these, since its members know each other intimately. It probably has no oaths of secrecy nor any formal procedure of initiation. It does, however, exist and holds secret meetings, over which the senior member present presides. At various times since 1891, these meetings have been presided over by Rhodes, Lord Milner, Lord Selborne, Sir Patrick Duncan, Field Marshal Jan Smuts, Lord Lothian, and Lord Brand. They have been held in all the British Dominions, starting in South Africa about 1903; in various places in London, chiefly 175 Piccadilly; at various colleges at Oxford, chiefly All Souls; and at many English country houses such as Tring Park, Blickling Hall, Cliveden, and others. This society has been known at various times as Milner's Kindergarten, as the Round Table Group, as the Rhodes crowd, as The Times crowd, as the All Souls group, and as the Cliveden set. All of these terms are unsatisfactory, for one reason or another, and I have chosen to call it the Milner Group. Those persons who have used the other terms, or heard them used, have not generally been aware that all these various terms referred to the same Group. It is not easy for an outsider to write the history of a secret group of this kind, but, since no insider is going to do it, an outsider must attempt it. It should be done, for this Group is, as I shall show, one of the most important historical facts of the twentieth century. Indeed, the Group is of such significance that evidence of its existence is not hard to find, if one knows where to look. This evidence I have sought to point out without overly burdening this volume with footnotes and bibliographical references. While such evidences of scholarship are kept at a minimum, I believe I have given the source of every fact which I mention. Some of these facts came to me from sources which I am not permitted to name, and I have mentioned them only where I can produce documentary evidence available to everyone. Nevertheless, it would have been very difficult to write this book if I had not received a certain amount of assistance of a personal nature from persons close to the Group. For obvious reasons, I cannot reveal the names of such persons, so I have not made reference to any information derived from them unless it was information readily available from other sources. ... I should say a few words about my general attitude toward this subject. I approached the subject as a historian. This attitude I have kept. I have tried to describe or to analyze, not to praise or to condemn. I hope that in the book itself this attitude is maintained. Of course I have an attitude, and it would be only fair to state it here. In general, I agree with the goals and aims of the Milner Group. I feel that the British way of life and the British Commonwealth of Nations are among the great achievements of all history. I feel that the destruction of either of them would be a terrible disaster to mankind. ...
omgomgomgomg 4y ago
Please explain. This might be true on military/nato matters, but economically, Europe and the EU can quite take care of themselves. As for america, who has a stranglehold there? If we leave conspiracy theories out of the equation, it is always the 2 parties un power and their corporate or institutional buddies. I do not think anyone is thelling Trump or Bidens team who to invade or bombard next. The US is the remaining superpower and thats all there really is. Look at Musk, richest guy in the world, Trump was making fun of him. It is not the people with money who have the power, money is a pre requisite to even be allowed near power. The people with power un the us are simply the people with....power. USA, with all its flaws, is nobodys vassal state.
- bloppe 4y ago
  I just formed a secret society. We have a secret handshake and are very powerful. In fact, we control everything.
tpush 4y ago
> [...] group of people [...] What group of people are controlling everything? Please don't let it be Jews...
- krapp 4y ago
  Just once I want to find out the vast shadowy conspiracy controlling everything is the Hare Krishnas, or the Mormons or... the Armenian Mafia. The Phoebus lightbulb cartel. A coven of witches. Anyone but "the Jews." Again. Even the current moral panic and conspiracy complex around transgendered people leads to anti-semitism if you follow the strings and thumbtacks.

bee_rider 4y ago

Life in Europe looks pretty nice from the outside at least. Could America sign up for self-vassalage or something?

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
Just from the outside
- dzikimarian 4y ago
  I'm inside and I'm pretty happy comparing to alternatives.
  - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
    Happy to hear that. I am inside the US and have been inside and lived in many countries. As an immigrant from Asia, I am happy most in the US and so are millions of permanent immigrants including tens of thousands from Europe every year :)
    - dzikimarian 4y ago
      Great it works for you. :-) I spent some time traveling in various parts of the world and EU works best for me.
pessimizer 4y ago
That's because the US allowed Europe to do social spending instead of military spending in order to keep them from going Communist. And anyway, the result was a monstrously armed US and a defenseless Europe, so it was ultimately a win-win for America.
- rnk 4y ago
  The US wanted to block communism for sure but we aren't organized enough to do subtle things in Europe. We didn't "let you" choose social safety nets over military spending, I say that in part because I've been hearing about insufficient euro military spending for many years. We must have advocated for block commies and military spending. ;-) The US must have tried to suppress communist parties in Italy etc after ww2, probably did terrible things.

bloppe 4y ago

I think you're giving American leadership way too much credit.

eternalban 4y ago
I don't think you parsed the comment correctly. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/991680.The_Anglo_American_Establishment https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/991680.The_Anglo_America... https://archive.org/details/pdfy-A7-BNmZpG-RLOXZZ https://archive.org/details/pdfy-A7-BNmZpG-RLOXZZ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley -- preface snippet (1981) --- The Rhodes Scholarships, established by the terms of Cecil Rhodes's seventh will, are known to everyone. What is not so widely known is that Rhodes in five previous wills left his fortune to form a secret society, which was to devote itself to the preservation and expansion of the British Empire. And what does not seem to be known to anyone is that this secret society was created by Rhodes and his principal trustee, Lord Milner, and continues to exist to this day. To be sure, this secret society is not a childish thing like the Ku Klux Klan, and it does not have any secret robes, secret handclasps, or secret passwords. It does not need any of these, since its members know each other intimately. It probably has no oaths of secrecy nor any formal procedure of initiation. It does, however, exist and holds secret meetings, over which the senior member present presides. At various times since 1891, these meetings have been presided over by Rhodes, Lord Milner, Lord Selborne, Sir Patrick Duncan, Field Marshal Jan Smuts, Lord Lothian, and Lord Brand. They have been held in all the British Dominions, starting in South Africa about 1903; in various places in London, chiefly 175 Piccadilly; at various colleges at Oxford, chiefly All Souls; and at many English country houses such as Tring Park, Blickling Hall, Cliveden, and others. This society has been known at various times as Milner's Kindergarten, as the Round Table Group, as the Rhodes crowd, as The Times crowd, as the All Souls group, and as the Cliveden set. All of these terms are unsatisfactory, for one reason or another, and I have chosen to call it the Milner Group. Those persons who have used the other terms, or heard them used, have not generally been aware that all these various terms referred to the same Group. It is not easy for an outsider to write the history of a secret group of this kind, but, since no insider is going to do it, an outsider must attempt it. It should be done, for this Group is, as I shall show, one of the most important historical facts of the twentieth century. Indeed, the Group is of such significance that evidence of its existence is not hard to find, if one knows where to look. This evidence I have sought to point out without overly burdening this volume with footnotes and bibliographical references. While such evidences of scholarship are kept at a minimum, I believe I have given the source of every fact which I mention. Some of these facts came to me from sources which I am not permitted to name, and I have mentioned them only where I can produce documentary evidence available to everyone. Nevertheless, it would have been very difficult to write this book if I had not received a certain amount of assistance of a personal nature from persons close to the Group. For obvious reasons, I cannot reveal the names of such persons, so I have not made reference to any information derived from them unless it was information readily available from other sources. ... I should say a few words about my general attitude toward this subject. I approached the subject as a historian. This attitude I have kept. I have tried to describe or to analyze, not to praise or to condemn. I hope that in the book itself this attitude is maintained. Of course I have an attitude, and it would be only fair to state it here. In general, I agree with the goals and aims of the Milner Group. I feel that the British way of life and the British Commonwealth of Nations are among the great achievements of all history. I feel that the destruction of either of them would be a terrible disaster to mankind. ...

omgomgomgomg 4y ago

Please explain. This might be true on military/nato matters, but economically, Europe and the EU can quite take care of themselves. As for america, who has a stranglehold there? If we leave conspiracy theories out of the equation, it is always the 2 parties un power and their corporate or institutional buddies. I do not think anyone is thelling Trump or Bidens team who to invade or bombard next. The US is the remaining superpower and thats all there really is. Look at Musk, richest guy in the world, Trump was making fun of him. It is not the people with money who have the power, money is a pre requisite to even be allowed near power. The people with power un the us are simply the people with....power. USA, with all its flaws, is nobodys vassal state.

bloppe 4y ago
I just formed a secret society. We have a secret handshake and are very powerful. In fact, we control everything.

tpush 4y ago

> [...] group of people [...] What group of people are controlling everything? Please don't let it be Jews...

krapp 4y ago
Just once I want to find out the vast shadowy conspiracy controlling everything is the Hare Krishnas, or the Mormons or... the Armenian Mafia. The Phoebus lightbulb cartel. A coven of witches. Anyone but "the Jews." Again. Even the current moral panic and conspiracy complex around transgendered people leads to anti-semitism if you follow the strings and thumbtacks.