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As a US citizen I would absolutely love that (a short, unprintable answer from the EU to the US). And would cheer if the EU were in a position to deliver this.

by ptero 4y ago

As a US citizen I would absolutely love that (a short, unprintable answer from the EU to the US). And would cheer if the EU were in a position to deliver this. But... The way it looks to me (sorry, not trying to offend) is that while the EU may be an OK construct for the peacetime prosperity it is not functioning well during the times of conflict. As of today, it does not have military strength, energy security or economic strength from which it can deliver such an answer. And when you have to depend on someone else for the protection you have few options for saying "no". My 2c.

omgomgomgomg 4y ago
That isbthe spirit, much love from across the pond. Here, everyone left to right were saying, this will never happen. The people who said that are all retired wealthy, their parties still exist, let us hold them accountable. They always say they will get something in exchange, but it is all lies, the moment you are bargaining for something in exchange, youve already lost. Keep in mind, never give anything to the EU either, they cannot be trusted blindly either, theyre just somewhat more accountable. If they would be the worlds superpower, I am not sure how benevolent they would be. Everywhere on earth, the regular citizens have the same domestic nuissance, snoopi governments, all parties somehow collecting big data as if it were their business model. Anyone who knows a lawyer, a govt tax agency worker and such will know, the data tue govt has will never be used for good, it will even be twisted in their favor. Left or right does not matter, probably never did, if we had democracies, theycall such things bipartisan, the total left or right wing goverments had leaders like franco, pinochet, mao, stalin and such. Anarchists keep saying the biggest atrocities were always from governments, not sure what to say about that, governmnents are always humans as well. There is some issue at hand with power. Even in Switzerland, with its "direct democracy", the police state is quite invasive, discretly in the background. Maybe human civilization is simply still in its infancy regarding governing the population. 100 years ago we had ww1, bit more back, feudalism etc.
anigbrowl 4y ago
The thing is that every time the EU shows any interest in integrating its military forces into a something new that would be under the control of the EU rather than individual member states, the US argues against it at both the diplomatic and PR levels. This pattern has been going on since at least the Clinton administration.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Since the Kabul withdrawal disaster there has been some more strength behind the EU battle group concept.

by ptero 4y ago

omgomgomgomg 4y ago

That isbthe spirit, much love from across the pond. Here, everyone left to right were saying, this will never happen. The people who said that are all retired wealthy, their parties still exist, let us hold them accountable. They always say they will get something in exchange, but it is all lies, the moment you are bargaining for something in exchange, youve already lost. Keep in mind, never give anything to the EU either, they cannot be trusted blindly either, theyre just somewhat more accountable. If they would be the worlds superpower, I am not sure how benevolent they would be. Everywhere on earth, the regular citizens have the same domestic nuissance, snoopi governments, all parties somehow collecting big data as if it were their business model. Anyone who knows a lawyer, a govt tax agency worker and such will know, the data tue govt has will never be used for good, it will even be twisted in their favor. Left or right does not matter, probably never did, if we had democracies, theycall such things bipartisan, the total left or right wing goverments had leaders like franco, pinochet, mao, stalin and such. Anarchists keep saying the biggest atrocities were always from governments, not sure what to say about that, governmnents are always humans as well. There is some issue at hand with power. Even in Switzerland, with its "direct democracy", the police state is quite invasive, discretly in the background. Maybe human civilization is simply still in its infancy regarding governing the population. 100 years ago we had ww1, bit more back, feudalism etc.

anigbrowl 4y ago

The thing is that every time the EU shows any interest in integrating its military forces into a something new that would be under the control of the EU rather than individual member states, the US argues against it at both the diplomatic and PR levels. This pattern has been going on since at least the Clinton administration.

jacquesm 4y ago
Since the Kabul withdrawal disaster there has been some more strength behind the EU battle group concept.