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> I'm sad to say it, but it's more dangerous than ever to be old or naive It will get orders of magnitude worse once all this can be fully automated by AI (inc

by patrec 4y ago

> I'm sad to say it, but it's more dangerous than ever to be old or naive It will get orders of magnitude worse once all this can be fully automated by AI (including a completely realistic video or voice call by the grandson where he talks about killing the pregnant woman).

shockeychap 4y ago
Yes it will.
tim333 4y ago
We may be able to get good AIs to fight the bad AIs? I guess in this case something that pops up saying maybe call the grandson back?
- patrec 4y ago
  It seems much easier to build an AI that helps less bright people to scam others than one that helps them to not get scammed. One needs to provide clear instructions for a single good scam when explicitly asked to do so, the other would need to provide good defenses to any number of scams and be more or less self-activated. There's also the matter of risks entailed by having large swathes of the population increasingly under the direct supervision of artificial minds (controlled by who?). I suspect something like this will happen though, and that one of the key uses of artificial intelligence will be as both an offensive and a defensive weapon for deceit and manipulation. Indeed the offensive part would seem to be a natural continuation of the enormous resources poured into ml-driven engagement maximization and the quest for sufficiently politically correct AIs. As an example ChatGTP is evidently explicitly designed to lie about some things, including its own capabilities. I'm not sure what, if anything, currently exists on the defensive front.
  - tim333 4y ago
    At the moment online if I try going to a scam site / get scam email, Google tends to put up a warning which I imagine makes use of machine learning plus some other stuff. Yeah for voice calls nothing yet though the likes of Google/Apple could probably do something. Against your point that bad AI is easier, you have that Google/Apple have more resources than the scammers.

by patrec 4y ago

shockeychap 4y ago

Yes it will.

tim333 4y ago

We may be able to get good AIs to fight the bad AIs? I guess in this case something that pops up saying maybe call the grandson back?

patrec 4y ago
It seems much easier to build an AI that helps less bright people to scam others than one that helps them to not get scammed. One needs to provide clear instructions for a single good scam when explicitly asked to do so, the other would need to provide good defenses to any number of scams and be more or less self-activated. There's also the matter of risks entailed by having large swathes of the population increasingly under the direct supervision of artificial minds (controlled by who?). I suspect something like this will happen though, and that one of the key uses of artificial intelligence will be as both an offensive and a defensive weapon for deceit and manipulation. Indeed the offensive part would seem to be a natural continuation of the enormous resources poured into ml-driven engagement maximization and the quest for sufficiently politically correct AIs. As an example ChatGTP is evidently explicitly designed to lie about some things, including its own capabilities. I'm not sure what, if anything, currently exists on the defensive front.
- tim333 4y ago
  At the moment online if I try going to a scam site / get scam email, Google tends to put up a warning which I imagine makes use of machine learning plus some other stuff. Yeah for voice calls nothing yet though the likes of Google/Apple could probably do something. Against your point that bad AI is easier, you have that Google/Apple have more resources than the scammers.