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you can think that creating incentive and opportunity for the state to kill people is troubling without a religious, or even conservative framework

ttul 4y ago
Except that's not what's happening here. The law itself is carefully drafted and abuse of the law for deceptive reasons like saving money in healthcare would not be lawful. Secondly, if the state fails to provide a regulatory framework for assisted dying, people tend to take matters into their own hands. Recall that the Canadian system for assisted death was established as a result of a sequence of court decisions dating back to 1993 [2]. Unlike the United States, the Supreme Court of Canada is viewed as largely apolitical. Someone can only be eligible for assisted death if they have a "grievous and irremediable medical condition," they've asked for it without external pressure, AND they give their consent AFTER being told of other options such as palliative care that might otherwise serve to alleviate their suffering. The concept of a "grievous and irremediable medical condition" is also defined carefully in the law. To qualify, they must "have a serious and incurable illness, disease or disability; they are in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability; and that illness, disease or disability or that state of decline causes them enduring physical or psychological suffering that is intolerable to them and that cannot be relieved under conditions that they consider acceptable." Mental illness is specifically excluded: "For the purposes of paragraph (2)(a), a mental illness is not considered to be an illness, disease or disability." The government was set to allow mental illness as an eligible category in March 2023, but that has been delayed for further study. [1] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-33.html#h-119953 https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-33.html#h... [2] https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14637/index.do https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14637/inde...
- nyolfen 4y ago
  i encourage you to read some of the examples of people who have chosen to take their own lives in the OP. it may surprise you to learn that the actual circumstances of applied laws can sometimes diverge from the best intentions > Unlike the United States, the Supreme Court of Canada is viewed as largely apolitical. no offense, but ideology is always perceived as simple reality by those inside of it. there are plenty of canadians who do not feel this way (eg https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1082424315 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1082424315 )

ttul 4y ago

Except that's not what's happening here. The law itself is carefully drafted and abuse of the law for deceptive reasons like saving money in healthcare would not be lawful. Secondly, if the state fails to provide a regulatory framework for assisted dying, people tend to take matters into their own hands. Recall that the Canadian system for assisted death was established as a result of a sequence of court decisions dating back to 1993 [2]. Unlike the United States, the Supreme Court of Canada is viewed as largely apolitical. Someone can only be eligible for assisted death if they have a "grievous and irremediable medical condition," they've asked for it without external pressure, AND they give their consent AFTER being told of other options such as palliative care that might otherwise serve to alleviate their suffering. The concept of a "grievous and irremediable medical condition" is also defined carefully in the law. To qualify, they must "have a serious and incurable illness, disease or disability; they are in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability; and that illness, disease or disability or that state of decline causes them enduring physical or psychological suffering that is intolerable to them and that cannot be relieved under conditions that they consider acceptable." Mental illness is specifically excluded: "For the purposes of paragraph (2)(a), a mental illness is not considered to be an illness, disease or disability." The government was set to allow mental illness as an eligible category in March 2023, but that has been delayed for further study. [1] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-33.html#h-119953 https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-33.html#h... [2] https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14637/index.do https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14637/inde...

nyolfen 4y ago
i encourage you to read some of the examples of people who have chosen to take their own lives in the OP. it may surprise you to learn that the actual circumstances of applied laws can sometimes diverge from the best intentions > Unlike the United States, the Supreme Court of Canada is viewed as largely apolitical. no offense, but ideology is always perceived as simple reality by those inside of it. there are plenty of canadians who do not feel this way (eg https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1082424315 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1082424315 )