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Healthcare can encompass a lot of things. The NHS is supposedly good on paper but stereotypically it doesn't cover dental. Similarly, I meant welfare. I think

Healthcare can encompass a lot of things. The NHS is supposedly good on paper but stereotypically it doesn't cover dental. Similarly, I meant welfare. I think it goes much beyond just healthcare. Unemployment insurance, state help to access the job market, disability help, etc.

prirun 4y ago
It would be nice (though likely impossible) if everyone could have unlimited assistance to make their life manageable. But even if that were available, we need to keep in mind that others may not want to continue their life for various reasons. Just because it is theoretically possible to keep someone alive doesn't mean they want that. Living life feeling like a burden to others, being in constant pain, or drugged out completely to avoid pain is not a life everyone would choose to live. So if someone chooses to die, don't always look at that as a problem that could have been fixed with enough resources. Sometimes it's not fixable and we all need to compassionately accept that.
- hikingsimulator 4y ago
  I usually find this reasoning to be fallacious. Sure this hypothetical person in an hypothetical setting might hypothetically exist in an hypothetical future. However, bringing it up doesn't provide value to the topic at hand. Your point doesn't refute what I said, or answer a point I made -- I never said it was always a problem. At best I said it very much was now.
  - prirun 4y ago
    You've apparently never been in a precarious health situation. I have, my mother has, and she chose to end her life because her daily living situation had deteriorated to the point where she could no longer take care of herself. And no amount of money or increased healthcare would have changed her circumstances.
- II2II 4y ago
  > So if someone chooses to die, don't always look at that as a problem that could have been fixed with enough resources. Sometimes it's not fixable and we all need to compassionately accept that. There are different forms of acceptance. Yes, accept that some cases are not fixable. On the other hand, we should also be looking at what led to it being not fixable. There is a huge difference between seeking assisted suicide due to deteriorating physical and mental health from medical causes and seeking assisted suicide due to a lack of medical, psychological, and financial support from the outset.

prirun 4y ago

It would be nice (though likely impossible) if everyone could have unlimited assistance to make their life manageable. But even if that were available, we need to keep in mind that others may not want to continue their life for various reasons. Just because it is theoretically possible to keep someone alive doesn't mean they want that. Living life feeling like a burden to others, being in constant pain, or drugged out completely to avoid pain is not a life everyone would choose to live. So if someone chooses to die, don't always look at that as a problem that could have been fixed with enough resources. Sometimes it's not fixable and we all need to compassionately accept that.

hikingsimulator 4y ago
I usually find this reasoning to be fallacious. Sure this hypothetical person in an hypothetical setting might hypothetically exist in an hypothetical future. However, bringing it up doesn't provide value to the topic at hand. Your point doesn't refute what I said, or answer a point I made -- I never said it was always a problem. At best I said it very much was now.
- prirun 4y ago
  You've apparently never been in a precarious health situation. I have, my mother has, and she chose to end her life because her daily living situation had deteriorated to the point where she could no longer take care of herself. And no amount of money or increased healthcare would have changed her circumstances.
II2II 4y ago
> So if someone chooses to die, don't always look at that as a problem that could have been fixed with enough resources. Sometimes it's not fixable and we all need to compassionately accept that. There are different forms of acceptance. Yes, accept that some cases are not fixable. On the other hand, we should also be looking at what led to it being not fixable. There is a huge difference between seeking assisted suicide due to deteriorating physical and mental health from medical causes and seeking assisted suicide due to a lack of medical, psychological, and financial support from the outset.