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These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. At the bare minimum they're at least looking the other way. My grandparents are the targets f

These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. At the bare minimum they're at least looking the other way. My grandparents are the targets for this kind of scam, and when they call their bank they get an Indian customer service rep to discuss the situation with. Absolutely disgusting that the situation has been tolerated for so long.

CoastalCoder 4y ago
> These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. I'd argue that one such state is the U.S. Congress could pretty trivially order that carriers give each customer a choice about what kinds of spoofed / unreliable-origin calls to let through. E.g.: For calls originating (inside | outside) the U.S.: (allow-all | allow-whitelist-only | allow-only-when-presenting-callee-issued-passcode | etc.) But Congress doesn't do this. This isn't exactly Congress sponsoring this behavior, but I suspect there's some bribery and/or unsavory lobbying going on.
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
  > But Congress doesn't do this. My own thesis, is because politicians, and PACs, use robocalls extensively. They don't want you blocking their junk calls.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > My own thesis, is because politicians, and PACs, use robocalls extensively. I doubt it, its easy enough for them to just exempt their own calls (which, incidentally, they do from existing Do-Not-Call rules.)
factorialboy 4y ago
> These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. How so?
nigerianbrince 4y ago
I doubt it. It's < 0.003% of indian gdp.
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  They probably don't even get the tax revenue from that. But no doubt local politicians and police are complicit, as with most other crimes
user3939382 4y ago
They’re state sponsored at the local level. Local law enforcement is underpaid and gets huge bribes from these call centers. At the national level India doesn’t have the law enforcement resources to stop it with local law enforcement working against them. It’s a mess.
jacobsenscott 4y ago
What's wrong with getting an Indian customer service rep?
ToxicMegacolon 4y ago
> These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. At the bare minimum they're at least looking the other way. Its more like 1. They don't care 2. Those who care, don't have time to work on problems of Non-Citizens when the citizens are suffering too India is a country of almost 1.4 Billion people. That is 1 Europe + 1 North America + around 200 Million people more (figures from google search, may not be accurate) Indian law enforcement is archaic, understaffed, and riddled with corruption. They prefer to sit on their asses all day and collect paychecks rather than working. For the select few that actually work, they have all the local issues to deal with that comes with a population of that size. They simply do not have the time to work on things that are affecting someone on the other side of the planet. And tbh I don't blame them for putting citizen's problems over non-citizens. Thats literally what every country would do.
- notahacker 4y ago
  > Indian law enforcement is archaic, understaffed, and riddled with corruption...And tbh I don't blame them for putting citizen's problems over non-citizens. Thats literally what every country would do. Not to mention consistently and effectively prosecuting people for this sort of crime takes two sides of law enforcement to tango (the perpetrator of the crime may be in India, but the victim is in the United States, as is the local police report they file, the spoofed number and the first part of the telco chain that eventually ends up in a normal looking office in an Indian city). Sometimes a relevant Indian police department may get that information in a form which is useful to both shut down operations and punish the operators, but even if the Indian police were incorruptible, a model of efficiency and particularly hot on white collar crimes committed overseas, I'm not sure their US counterparts are providing so much information that scammers wouldn't feel they could get away with it often enough to try.
thunkshift1 4y ago
It is actually netflix doing this, so that they get more content for jamtara season 3

CoastalCoder 4y ago

> These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. I'd argue that one such state is the U.S. Congress could pretty trivially order that carriers give each customer a choice about what kinds of spoofed / unreliable-origin calls to let through. E.g.: For calls originating (inside | outside) the U.S.: (allow-all | allow-whitelist-only | allow-only-when-presenting-callee-issued-passcode | etc.) But Congress doesn't do this. This isn't exactly Congress sponsoring this behavior, but I suspect there's some bribery and/or unsavory lobbying going on.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
> But Congress doesn't do this. My own thesis, is because politicians, and PACs, use robocalls extensively. They don't want you blocking their junk calls.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > My own thesis, is because politicians, and PACs, use robocalls extensively. I doubt it, its easy enough for them to just exempt their own calls (which, incidentally, they do from existing Do-Not-Call rules.)

factorialboy 4y ago

> These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. How so?

nigerianbrince 4y ago

I doubt it. It's < 0.003% of indian gdp.

cuteboy19 4y ago
They probably don't even get the tax revenue from that. But no doubt local politicians and police are complicit, as with most other crimes

user3939382 4y ago

They’re state sponsored at the local level. Local law enforcement is underpaid and gets huge bribes from these call centers. At the national level India doesn’t have the law enforcement resources to stop it with local law enforcement working against them. It’s a mess.

jacobsenscott 4y ago

What's wrong with getting an Indian customer service rep?

ToxicMegacolon 4y ago

> These operations have to be sponsored by the state at this scale. At the bare minimum they're at least looking the other way. Its more like 1. They don't care 2. Those who care, don't have time to work on problems of Non-Citizens when the citizens are suffering too India is a country of almost 1.4 Billion people. That is 1 Europe + 1 North America + around 200 Million people more (figures from google search, may not be accurate) Indian law enforcement is archaic, understaffed, and riddled with corruption. They prefer to sit on their asses all day and collect paychecks rather than working. For the select few that actually work, they have all the local issues to deal with that comes with a population of that size. They simply do not have the time to work on things that are affecting someone on the other side of the planet. And tbh I don't blame them for putting citizen's problems over non-citizens. Thats literally what every country would do.

notahacker 4y ago
> Indian law enforcement is archaic, understaffed, and riddled with corruption...And tbh I don't blame them for putting citizen's problems over non-citizens. Thats literally what every country would do. Not to mention consistently and effectively prosecuting people for this sort of crime takes two sides of law enforcement to tango (the perpetrator of the crime may be in India, but the victim is in the United States, as is the local police report they file, the spoofed number and the first part of the telco chain that eventually ends up in a normal looking office in an Indian city). Sometimes a relevant Indian police department may get that information in a form which is useful to both shut down operations and punish the operators, but even if the Indian police were incorruptible, a model of efficiency and particularly hot on white collar crimes committed overseas, I'm not sure their US counterparts are providing so much information that scammers wouldn't feel they could get away with it often enough to try.

thunkshift1 4y ago

It is actually netflix doing this, so that they get more content for jamtara season 3