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Unfortunately the rollout of the program in the Canadian military veteran community leaves something to be desired as well; numerous vets calling for assistance

Unfortunately the rollout of the program in the Canadian military veteran community leaves something to be desired as well; numerous vets calling for assistance kept being informed of the assisted suicide program versus getting the help they had asked for. Considering how it's starting to make news waves in Canada i'm surprised they don't mention it at all. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christine-gauthier-assisted-death-macaulay-1.6671721 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christine-gauthier-assisted...

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croes 4y ago
The problem is, how do you communicate the possibility without it being perceived as a suggestion?
- kneebonian 4y ago
  There's a strict law in other places that a provider can never bring up the option, it must always be a patient initiated discussion.
  - croes 4y ago
    If you don't know this option exists, you won't necessarily mention it voluntarily for fear of being committed to a psychiatric ward.
    - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
      This is very real and dystopian. If they hear that you're suicidal you'll get a straight-jacket and involuntarily medicated but if they see your broken ankle they'll suicide you for free.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  You dont, it should NEVER be offered as a possibility, only if the person directly inquires about it should be talk about
  - tejohnso 4y ago
    Why should options be held back? I'd want to know all options available to me for whatever my scenario is rather than being treated like a child who can't decide for themselves. When I ask for help I want all reasonable possibilities presented because I'm not going to think of everything.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      Have you seen some of the videos coming out of Canada, where "doctors" who are more or less agents of the state have presented that not as an option, but the best option. For example there was one person that was trying to get In-Home nursing, which my understanding was an option but the "doctor" kept pushing suicide as the better choice, this person clearly did not want to die, but it was being pushed as the first option for them. The perverse incentives of state run healthcare combined with a suicide option opens up all manner of abuse, and unintended results.
    - Jarwain 4y ago
      In a general situation, yeah sure that makes sense. But this is Death. It's always an option, everyone knows it's an option, and sometimes it's an easier option. Leaving it to the person to suggest makes it the last resort, and ensures all other options have been exhausted.
  - croes 4y ago
    Why? We are not talking about mentally unstable people but people with severe medical condition. Why is it more acceptable to list all possibilities to prolong a life in pain but not to reduce the time to suffer?
smnrchrds 4y ago
Weren't all veteran cases due to one employee who was not a medical professional and was suspended when reported? Maybe there is a systematic issue, but I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

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croes 4y ago

The problem is, how do you communicate the possibility without it being perceived as a suggestion?

kneebonian 4y ago
There's a strict law in other places that a provider can never bring up the option, it must always be a patient initiated discussion.
- croes 4y ago
  If you don't know this option exists, you won't necessarily mention it voluntarily for fear of being committed to a psychiatric ward.
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    This is very real and dystopian. If they hear that you're suicidal you'll get a straight-jacket and involuntarily medicated but if they see your broken ankle they'll suicide you for free.
phpisthebest 4y ago
You dont, it should NEVER be offered as a possibility, only if the person directly inquires about it should be talk about
- tejohnso 4y ago
  Why should options be held back? I'd want to know all options available to me for whatever my scenario is rather than being treated like a child who can't decide for themselves. When I ask for help I want all reasonable possibilities presented because I'm not going to think of everything.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    Have you seen some of the videos coming out of Canada, where "doctors" who are more or less agents of the state have presented that not as an option, but the best option. For example there was one person that was trying to get In-Home nursing, which my understanding was an option but the "doctor" kept pushing suicide as the better choice, this person clearly did not want to die, but it was being pushed as the first option for them. The perverse incentives of state run healthcare combined with a suicide option opens up all manner of abuse, and unintended results.
  - Jarwain 4y ago
    In a general situation, yeah sure that makes sense. But this is Death. It's always an option, everyone knows it's an option, and sometimes it's an easier option. Leaving it to the person to suggest makes it the last resort, and ensures all other options have been exhausted.
- croes 4y ago
  Why? We are not talking about mentally unstable people but people with severe medical condition. Why is it more acceptable to list all possibilities to prolong a life in pain but not to reduce the time to suffer?

smnrchrds 4y ago

Weren't all veteran cases due to one employee who was not a medical professional and was suspended when reported? Maybe there is a systematic issue, but I haven't seen evidence of that yet.