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To temper the potential for anti-indian rhetoric, US authorities work side by side with local Indian authorities to shut these down. Mark Rober has a few video

To temper the potential for anti-indian rhetoric, US authorities work side by side with local Indian authorities to shut these down. Mark Rober has a few videos dedicated to going after several of these scam call centers, and most recently 3 major ones were shut down and their owners arrested.

typingmonkey 4y ago
Mark Rober also gets support from the LA police while they do not care about normal peoples theft.
- balls187 4y ago
  Resource constraints are a problem across all industries. My recollection wrt Rober was the police aided him to help drive awareness. For the “normal peoples theft” what would you like to police to do?
  - jen20 4y ago
    > For the “normal peoples theft” what would you like to police to do? - show up when called. - if they’re not going to show up, AT LEAST call back. - make at least a token effort to apprehend someone of whom there is a clear video. This does not seem to be outlandish expectations of the service provided by the largest line in city budget.
    - balls187 4y ago
      My guess is there are so many instances of “normal people theft” occurring that even calling back is a significant scale issue. Basically, our criminal justice system is not built to handle minor crimes, and criminal organizations are exploiting that at scale.
      - sneak 4y ago
        Somehow they still manage to write people a lot of tickets, something that generates revenue for the police, and steal the money of legal marijuana businesses, something else that generates revenue for the police. There are no consequences to the police for ignoring the parts of the job that do not directly generate revenue for the police. This is not an overarching problem with "the criminal justice system" other than the fact that the police almost everywhere in the US have a culture of graft and rentseeking, and won't do anything if there isn't money or press involved.
    - e_i_pi_2 4y ago
      They could also stop civil asset forfeiture - in 2014 that surpassed burglary in the US as the top form of theft by value. Without being charged or convicted of any crime police can take cash and property, which can then be sold for funding. The case is brought against the property instead of the individual, and then to get it back they have to prove the innocence that it wasn't used in a crime, rather than the state having to prove that it was.
weakfortress 4y ago
"Anti-Indian rhetoric"? The scams literally originate in India, and are masterminded by Indians. Further, the police are often paid off and rarely do anything about it. When enough fuss is caused about one or two they stop them and then another two crop up somewhere else. If you study the history of organized crime, especially in America, this mirrors the Italian mob once they got control of the police. This is organized crime perpetrated specifically against one nation (at scale) and should be treated as such.
- balls187 4y ago
  You missed my point. These call centers are a problem. One that requires cooperation between the US and India to resolve.
  - honkler 4y ago
    yeah. we'll sanction india, and then india will cooperate.
    - balls187 4y ago
      So do you believe the Indian government is complicit in such cyber crimes?
      - kristopolous 4y ago
        Different replier - no but they're incompetently handling the problem because these call centers haven't seemed to pop up elsewhere Now before you say "well India has high English proficiency" countries like Nigeria, Kenya and the Philippines best India here with higher English proficiency and don't have the issue (Nigeria has a similar email one of course) They're quite a bit poorer as well. There's some major policy failure here India needs to figure out. Of course they don't want rampant crime but everything points to how they're domestically handling that crime as the problem here.
    - frontman1988 4y ago
kepler1 4y ago
I'm sorry but suggesting Mark Rober is helping to stop the scamming industry in India is like helping Ukraine by adding sprinkles to a cupcake at an elementary school bake sale.
- balls187 4y ago
  Every sprinkle helps. But no that wasn’t what I was suggesting.
- tester457 4y ago
  The awareness is more helpful than you think, many people I know were only introduced to how massive that industry is because of Mark
petepete 4y ago
Those videos by Mark Rober mainly build on the work done by Jim Browning. https://www.youtube.com/c/JimBrowning/featured https://www.youtube.com/c/JimBrowning/featured ScammerPayback also does an incredible job. https://www.youtube.com/@ScammerPayback https://www.youtube.com/@ScammerPayback

typingmonkey 4y ago

Mark Rober also gets support from the LA police while they do not care about normal peoples theft.

balls187 4y ago
Resource constraints are a problem across all industries. My recollection wrt Rober was the police aided him to help drive awareness. For the “normal peoples theft” what would you like to police to do?
- jen20 4y ago
  > For the “normal peoples theft” what would you like to police to do? - show up when called. - if they’re not going to show up, AT LEAST call back. - make at least a token effort to apprehend someone of whom there is a clear video. This does not seem to be outlandish expectations of the service provided by the largest line in city budget.
  - balls187 4y ago
    My guess is there are so many instances of “normal people theft” occurring that even calling back is a significant scale issue. Basically, our criminal justice system is not built to handle minor crimes, and criminal organizations are exploiting that at scale.
    - sneak 4y ago
      Somehow they still manage to write people a lot of tickets, something that generates revenue for the police, and steal the money of legal marijuana businesses, something else that generates revenue for the police. There are no consequences to the police for ignoring the parts of the job that do not directly generate revenue for the police. This is not an overarching problem with "the criminal justice system" other than the fact that the police almost everywhere in the US have a culture of graft and rentseeking, and won't do anything if there isn't money or press involved.
  - e_i_pi_2 4y ago
    They could also stop civil asset forfeiture - in 2014 that surpassed burglary in the US as the top form of theft by value. Without being charged or convicted of any crime police can take cash and property, which can then be sold for funding. The case is brought against the property instead of the individual, and then to get it back they have to prove the innocence that it wasn't used in a crime, rather than the state having to prove that it was.

weakfortress 4y ago

"Anti-Indian rhetoric"? The scams literally originate in India, and are masterminded by Indians. Further, the police are often paid off and rarely do anything about it. When enough fuss is caused about one or two they stop them and then another two crop up somewhere else. If you study the history of organized crime, especially in America, this mirrors the Italian mob once they got control of the police. This is organized crime perpetrated specifically against one nation (at scale) and should be treated as such.

balls187 4y ago
You missed my point. These call centers are a problem. One that requires cooperation between the US and India to resolve.
- honkler 4y ago
  yeah. we'll sanction india, and then india will cooperate.
  - balls187 4y ago
    So do you believe the Indian government is complicit in such cyber crimes?
    - kristopolous 4y ago
      Different replier - no but they're incompetently handling the problem because these call centers haven't seemed to pop up elsewhere Now before you say "well India has high English proficiency" countries like Nigeria, Kenya and the Philippines best India here with higher English proficiency and don't have the issue (Nigeria has a similar email one of course) They're quite a bit poorer as well. There's some major policy failure here India needs to figure out. Of course they don't want rampant crime but everything points to how they're domestically handling that crime as the problem here.
  - frontman1988 4y ago

kepler1 4y ago

I'm sorry but suggesting Mark Rober is helping to stop the scamming industry in India is like helping Ukraine by adding sprinkles to a cupcake at an elementary school bake sale.

balls187 4y ago
Every sprinkle helps. But no that wasn’t what I was suggesting.
tester457 4y ago
The awareness is more helpful than you think, many people I know were only introduced to how massive that industry is because of Mark

petepete 4y ago

Those videos by Mark Rober mainly build on the work done by Jim Browning. https://www.youtube.com/c/JimBrowning/featured https://www.youtube.com/c/JimBrowning/featured ScammerPayback also does an incredible job. https://www.youtube.com/@ScammerPayback https://www.youtube.com/@ScammerPayback