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> It was obvious to everyone and their dog that masks help stop the spread of respiratory infections. All studies done at scale, in peer reviewed journals befo

> It was obvious to everyone and their dog that masks help stop the spread of respiratory infections. All studies done at scale, in peer reviewed journals before and since the pandemic have shown that not to be the case. N95s work, if used properly, that’s it. If you work / have worked with people in biosafety labs they’ll tell you. What we did during the pandemic was effectively role play. Cloth masks, surgical masks, kN95s, all do approximately nothing. Only thing you could maybe argue is people avoided each other a bit more and spit didn’t travel… but the virus was airborne and that was considered highly likely even in Jan 2020. Fauci’s FOIA requested private emails cover a lot of this; as does many many of the top epidemiologist (who were censored). *Addendum*: It’s the same with the companies, CDC and FDA who suppressed ivermectin research https://twitter.com/rwmalonemd/status/1607710183022628864 https://twitter.com/rwmalonemd/status/1607710183022628864 IMO the real reason they claimed “masks didn’t work”, “alternative drugs don’t work”, etc is because they needed the EUA. The companies producing the vaccines lobbied to get everything else suppressed so they could role out mRNA tech. That tech will allow them to offer pretty much any genetic therapy. Government had every incentive as well, more centralization and no liability. Pushing alternatives would pose more risks, with no upside. Imo this was inevitable. It was only preventable with an open market of ideas, which Twitter, Facebook and others suppressed.

Jotra7 4y ago
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mrcwinn 4y ago
I'm willing to believe your claim that only N95 masks work, and other options do nothing at all, but what am I to do with seemingly reliable information that states otherwise? https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-mask... It's just one source, but I'm genuinely curious.
- lettergram 4y ago
  I say go to all large scale peer reviewed research prior to 2020. You’re taking some story from someone who writes for a college publication, not a peer reviewed source. There are researchers from Stanford who said exactly what I did above. Trillions of dollars were pumped into propaganda and research in 2020. It takes years to go through, receive grants, construct experiments, get approvals, analyze and validate. We are only now starting to see initial results for new masking studies. They still need to be replicated, etc. Here’s an example of a large scale study from 2015 where cloth masks increase risk of illness (over nothing): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/ Here’s a 2021 study showing masks aren’t really good as well (a randomized control trial) https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 My general point isn’t the specifics, it’s that the jury is out.
astrange 4y ago
Do you believe surgical masks work during surgery? There’s “no evidence” they do this. There’s also no reason that hearing there is “no evidence” for something requires you to adopt the silliest possible assumption for whether it’s actually true, but doctors seem to like doing this anyway. (The actual answer for whether masks are “effective against covid” is “which covid?” - cause it’s different for 2020 covid and Omicron. Omicron is so infectious that you cannot avoid it using any kind of NPI at all.)
- dent9876543 4y ago
  The major conclusion to that discussion ("surgical masks work during surgery") was that the did work, but because they form an effective barrier against spittle and so on. Studies show that surgical masks are only marginally effective at their goal of reducing transmission, and then only if they are worn properly. Of course, one can rely upon medical staff for that. Not so much the general population.

Jotra7 4y ago

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mrcwinn 4y ago

I'm willing to believe your claim that only N95 masks work, and other options do nothing at all, but what am I to do with seemingly reliable information that states otherwise? https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-mask... It's just one source, but I'm genuinely curious.

lettergram 4y ago
I say go to all large scale peer reviewed research prior to 2020. You’re taking some story from someone who writes for a college publication, not a peer reviewed source. There are researchers from Stanford who said exactly what I did above. Trillions of dollars were pumped into propaganda and research in 2020. It takes years to go through, receive grants, construct experiments, get approvals, analyze and validate. We are only now starting to see initial results for new masking studies. They still need to be replicated, etc. Here’s an example of a large scale study from 2015 where cloth masks increase risk of illness (over nothing): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/ Here’s a 2021 study showing masks aren’t really good as well (a randomized control trial) https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 My general point isn’t the specifics, it’s that the jury is out.

astrange 4y ago

Do you believe surgical masks work during surgery? There’s “no evidence” they do this. There’s also no reason that hearing there is “no evidence” for something requires you to adopt the silliest possible assumption for whether it’s actually true, but doctors seem to like doing this anyway. (The actual answer for whether masks are “effective against covid” is “which covid?” - cause it’s different for 2020 covid and Omicron. Omicron is so infectious that you cannot avoid it using any kind of NPI at all.)

dent9876543 4y ago
The major conclusion to that discussion ("surgical masks work during surgery") was that the did work, but because they form an effective barrier against spittle and so on. Studies show that surgical masks are only marginally effective at their goal of reducing transmission, and then only if they are worn properly. Of course, one can rely upon medical staff for that. Not so much the general population.