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Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports
- t3rra 4y agoAnd yet muslim people on facebook say that hijab is by free will..
- inportb 4y agoWell of course it's free will to avoid detention by morality police.
- poszlem 4y agoFreedom of choosing what you wear doesn't mean freedom from consequences (to paraphrase the very popular, and idiotic, phrase about free speech that some people tend to use).
- T-A 4y agoThis one? https://www.azquotes.com/quote/728639 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/728639
- poszlem 4y agoMore like this: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=freedom%20from%20consequences&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- fipar 4y agoThe first comment on the search you’re sharing seems to be about an exec stepping down (I guess that’s a euphemism for getting fired) as a consequence of something he said or did (it seems contributing to a campaign). Is your point that an exec losing his job (he can get several thousand lower paying jobs and still survive like most people do) is somehow analogous to a woman being jailed or killed for what they choose to wear (or not to wear, in this case?) (Edit: typos)
- oneoff786 4y agoFreedom from consequences in the context of speech means you are going to be subject to the social consequences of what you say. Not that it is possible to say it despite it being illegal.
- relativ575 4y agoOf course. Like you can say whatever you want here but you may get downvoted. That's the consequence. I guess you feel luckier than Mahsa Amini? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini
- thinkmcfly 4y ago[flagged]
- esperent 4y agoIs this an example of a dog whistle? Unspecified "Muslim people on Facebook" say something you are almost certain to disagree with. No examples, no nuance, just a call to racism.
- ameen 4y agoIt is, unfortunately the "Islamic Republic of Iran" is anything but Islamic. Show trials, murdering innocents, etc. They're emboldened by their Soviet allies, CCP, etc.
- jonfw 4y agoThere are many muslim people who live in places where that is true
- notahacker 4y agoAnd indeed a few who live in places where governments [propose to] intervene to prevent them from wearing items of clothing associated with some Muslims' ideas of modesty...
- jeffalyanak 4y agoThose are almost universally people living in secular states or more moderate muslim ones. Muslim people living in places with the freedom to choose generally consider it a choice whereas those living in places without that freedom do not or will not admit to such a belief.
- philippz 4y agoIt's going in the right direction, finally, people are starting to stand up.
- 082349872349872 4y agoI don't know about KZ policy[0], but in at least a couple of countries it's much easier to get asylum if one has reasons to fear for one's safety in one's home country. [0] although it does seem similar to most countries', judging by the (commonly observed) fact that several of their international athletes started out competing under a different flag.
- obituary_latte 4y agoI feel proud as a human to see these brave women standing up for their rights and wish them and their fellow countrypeople all of the success with no bloodshed. It's time we move out of the age of religious compulsion on all fronts.
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- ameen 4y agoFunny thing is, as a practicing muslim - there is no compulsion in religion (direct quote from the Qur'an). Iran literally is using the ignorance of the populace to push their own means of controlling the masses.
- cinntaile 4y agoWhat are some examples of muslim majority countries that allow women to not wear one?
- Laaas 4y agoQuite a few? Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, etc. etc.
- MMAesawy 4y agoAll but Iran, and possibly some parts of Saudi Arabia?
- cultofmetatron 4y agocurrently in morocco. I see plenty of muslim women without headscarves.
- kingofpandora 4y agoIt's mandatory in two countries by my count, and optional in all the rest.
- Mystery-Machine 4y ago
- T-A 4y agoI hope they have good home insurance. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63847173 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63847173
- Overtonwindow 4y agoChess tournaments are a great place for citizens of brutal regimes to defect ...
- remram 4y agoIs it? Why?
- francisofascii 4y agoBecause you have an excuse to travel abroad.
- rurban 4y agoShe is already playing for the Hamburg chess club (Germany) for years. And she will not return to Iran. She and her husband already moved to Spain.
- Overtonwindow 4y agohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1989/03/29/soviet-chess-champ-14-defects/109e36d3-cdec-4c22-a7a9-53327cac8add/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1989/03/29/... Quite a number of Soviet chess players defected while attending tournaments abroad.
- GregLan 4y agoI am from Kenya and this is what one of our journalists had to say about Iran after working there https://www.the-star.co.ke/sasa/word-is/2021-09-08-how-racism-costly-gold-dowry-put-salim-swaleh-off-marrying/ https://www.the-star.co.ke/sasa/word-is/2021-09-08-how-racis...
- KunafaPizza 4y agoSeeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked. Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rules. From our perspective there is no logical difference between this and Western dress codes in public. The reason people find a problem with this whole Iran/Hijab thing is not because Women are being compelled to wear it. This wouldn't make sense because governments force things on us all the time. The real reason is that they hate the hijab. To them, the hijab is oppressive, a sign of patriarchy, a sick form of sexual repression. I mean why else are women protesting in the streets because of it? Surely it must be a symbol of oppression that is finally finding expression in public? Right? This is a much more sensible reason for us. The haters of Islam have always been running their mouths. They have never made a difference to us Muslims.
- sorenjan 4y agoWhat kind of dress codes are there for muslim men? I regularly see muslim immigrant families in the summer where the man wears shorts and no shirt, and the woman wears a long black fully covering fabric. And young daughters maybe six years old with hijab.
- KunafaPizza 4y agoMen = generally the navel to the knee must be covered. > And young daughters maybe six years old with hijab. To encourage them to wear it, get them accustomed to it. Its not required for them. Again if someone's knee-jerk reaction to that is "oh my God you are indoctrinating little children who are so innocent, this is child abuse!!!" then I want them to know THAT IS OKAY for them to believe. Like I said above, hatred of Islam and its public expression is something we are used to.
- regularjack 4y agoPeople don't hate Islam, people hate measures imposed on 50% of the population.
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- TexanFeller 4y agoI don't wish for more modesty, but a lot more utility would be nice. Pockets for women's clothes, cargo shorts for all.
- dvngnt_ 4y agothey have the freedom to do so. not all women have a choice
- erenyeager 4y agoIt’s interesting when we discuss the concept of freedom, if u look I think some enlightenment thinkers considered freedom in terms of freedom from base desires and vulgarity, to liberate man into higher thought. Then there are also concepts of public/private. From this regard, is not it freedom to have society less restrained by basal desires and the widespread practice of modesty makes it easier to be private with regard to exposing one’s body?
- kbelder 4y ago>From this regard, is not it freedom to have society less restrained by basal desires and the widespread practice of modesty makes it easier to be private with regard to exposing one’s body? No, it's not. That's a primitive manner of thought that we have hopefully progressed from over the last couple centuries. Freedom is individual choice, not an imposition from another person.
- erenyeager 4y agoIs there truly freedom? This is a deep question beyond patronizing insults about primitiveness. What freedom is there truly, when humans are so prone to influences that would seem to chain them. What freedom is there if one becomes addicted to some substance, for example? What freedom is there in being distracted from one’s purpose and higher rational aims due to being in a temptous environment? I think you will not find “freedom” has much value if it is trapped in loops of dopamine
- YoJohnAdams 4y agoSalute to the girls who are fighting for their rights they deserve. #SayNoToHijab
- ameen 4y agoThat’s a biased inaccurate hashtag. A sensible person would say yes to personal freedoms - it’s their choice. Don’t impose either world view on them.