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> my point is that there is a disparity and if we assume everyone is equal then there shouldn't be. Yes but why do you assume that? What if your assumption is

> my point is that there is a disparity and if we assume everyone is equal then there shouldn't be. Yes but why do you assume that? What if your assumption is wrong, as the above study shows? Then the disparity would be explained simply by the natural proclivities of different groups of people. > one group is systemically discouraged from taking on tech even if they want to Again this in another article of faith. Notice how feminists always use the passive voice: women are "discouraged", not "these specific people are conspiring to discourage women for this specific reason". It's a motte-and-bailey trick to prevent anyone being able to call out their nonsense claims. Why does anyone want to discourage women from going into tech? My own daughter shows some interest in these things. Perhaps she will enter the field - or perhaps she'd prefer something else. I don't mind. She should do whatever would make her happy. It just turns out that women on average are slightly more likely to choose something else than man are.

mpweiher 4y ago
> Notice how feminists always use the passive voice Yeah, that one took me a while to figure out, but once you notice it you see how pervasive this trick is. For me, it was the thing about women doing more housework in relationships. Or rather "women are required to do more housework". But it wasn't actually their partners requiring this. Men generally don't give a crap, and this doesn't really change whether they are in a relationship or not. "But women are held to a higher standard". Ah, the passive to the rescue! But by who? Again, men don't give a crap. Well, it turns out that it is women holding each other to higher standards, more or less exclusively. But "women are oppressing each other" just doesn't have the same ring to it... > "these specific people are conspiring to discourage women for this specific reason". Turns out there actually are people making that claim. Can't find the actual text right now (it was a PhD thesis turned into a book, IIRC), and it claimed that the move to make CS more like engineering was a cabal of men in CS trying to kick the women out. The mind boggles. > Why does anyone want to discourage women from going into tech? Exactly. No one, that's who. And in fact, if you look around, you see tons and tons of encouragement, special events, special courses, special bootcamps etc. A recruiter here in Europe recently told me she has to get approval from US headquarters if she wants to suggest a straight white male for a role (although that was senior executive recruiting, not tech).

mpweiher 4y ago

> Notice how feminists always use the passive voice Yeah, that one took me a while to figure out, but once you notice it you see how pervasive this trick is. For me, it was the thing about women doing more housework in relationships. Or rather "women are required to do more housework". But it wasn't actually their partners requiring this. Men generally don't give a crap, and this doesn't really change whether they are in a relationship or not. "But women are held to a higher standard". Ah, the passive to the rescue! But by who? Again, men don't give a crap. Well, it turns out that it is women holding each other to higher standards, more or less exclusively. But "women are oppressing each other" just doesn't have the same ring to it... > "these specific people are conspiring to discourage women for this specific reason". Turns out there actually are people making that claim. Can't find the actual text right now (it was a PhD thesis turned into a book, IIRC), and it claimed that the move to make CS more like engineering was a cabal of men in CS trying to kick the women out. The mind boggles. > Why does anyone want to discourage women from going into tech? Exactly. No one, that's who. And in fact, if you look around, you see tons and tons of encouragement, special events, special courses, special bootcamps etc. A recruiter here in Europe recently told me she has to get approval from US headquarters if she wants to suggest a straight white male for a role (although that was senior executive recruiting, not tech).