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Any discussion of this that ignores the role of vaccine manufacturers in this process are simply lacking. The government had no real incentive to push a policy

Any discussion of this that ignores the role of vaccine manufacturers in this process are simply lacking. The government had no real incentive to push a policy against science except financial interests (and the influence of people with financial influence.) Case it point - the demonization of ivermectin - one of the safest drugs ever created that saved so many people's lives (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/). It's also inexpensive. The entire case was that people are promoting something that has not validated as being effective. Not, that its dangerous or that it's stealing people's money - it's not been proven to be an effective treatment. And doctors lost their licenses (many more threatened) over this.

the_why_of_y 4y ago
You mean doctors like this Dr. Karas here one lost their license? As early as November 2020, Dr. Robert Karas, the jail’s doctor, told inmates who had contracted COVID that he was giving them a cocktail of vitamins, antibiotics, and steroids when in fact he was administering dangerously high doses of the dewormer. “At no point were Plaintiffs informed that the medications they were consuming included Ivermectin,” the lawsuit says. “Further, Plaintiffs were not informed of the side effects of the drug administered to them or that any results would be used for research purposes.” As a result, these men experienced diarrhea, bloody stools, stomach cramps, and vision problems, the lawsuit says, all of which suggest ivermectin poisoning. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/inmates-sue-arkansas-doc-jail-after-unknowingly-taking-dangerous-doses-of-ivermectin/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/inmates-sue-arka...
- pnf 4y ago
  Yes, definitely citing an arstechnica piece citing a lawsuit's claims by very credible inmates is the winning argument.
  - the_why_of_y 4y ago
    Notably, the article doesn't say that he did lose his license, or that that is even a possible outcome. Also, I would like to point out that prisoners in the land of the free are still humans.
    - pnf 4y ago
      Why point that out? Seems like a non sequitur.
- yehosef 4y ago
  no, I mean other doctors that prescribe a safe drug. If the inmates had too much, they had too much. And experimenting or giving a treatment without proper disclosure is wrong and the doctor should lose their license for that - if nothing else. But thanks for bringing that example because it shows the evil of experimenting on people without full disclosure. Now if you want to talk about the incidence of heart-attacks and myocarditis after vaccines and the experiments that were run on the public without proper notification of their risks, we'd have an interesting discussion. As the twitter files show, any such discussion was suppressed because "the vaccines are safe" and anyone that say otherwise is "promoting misinformation".
  - the_why_of_y 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

the_why_of_y 4y ago

You mean doctors like this Dr. Karas here one lost their license? As early as November 2020, Dr. Robert Karas, the jail’s doctor, told inmates who had contracted COVID that he was giving them a cocktail of vitamins, antibiotics, and steroids when in fact he was administering dangerously high doses of the dewormer. “At no point were Plaintiffs informed that the medications they were consuming included Ivermectin,” the lawsuit says. “Further, Plaintiffs were not informed of the side effects of the drug administered to them or that any results would be used for research purposes.” As a result, these men experienced diarrhea, bloody stools, stomach cramps, and vision problems, the lawsuit says, all of which suggest ivermectin poisoning. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/inmates-sue-arkansas-doc-jail-after-unknowingly-taking-dangerous-doses-of-ivermectin/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/inmates-sue-arka...

pnf 4y ago
Yes, definitely citing an arstechnica piece citing a lawsuit's claims by very credible inmates is the winning argument.
- the_why_of_y 4y ago
  Notably, the article doesn't say that he did lose his license, or that that is even a possible outcome. Also, I would like to point out that prisoners in the land of the free are still humans.
  - pnf 4y ago
    Why point that out? Seems like a non sequitur.
yehosef 4y ago
no, I mean other doctors that prescribe a safe drug. If the inmates had too much, they had too much. And experimenting or giving a treatment without proper disclosure is wrong and the doctor should lose their license for that - if nothing else. But thanks for bringing that example because it shows the evil of experimenting on people without full disclosure. Now if you want to talk about the incidence of heart-attacks and myocarditis after vaccines and the experiments that were run on the public without proper notification of their risks, we'd have an interesting discussion. As the twitter files show, any such discussion was suppressed because "the vaccines are safe" and anyone that say otherwise is "promoting misinformation".
- the_why_of_y 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence