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I love how conspiracy-theorists self-congratulate on things that totally haven’t happened. There’s been no “oh yeah we totally did that” about vaccine safety, l

by Nursie 4y ago

I love how conspiracy-theorists self-congratulate on things that totally haven’t happened. There’s been no “oh yeah we totally did that” about vaccine safety, lockdowns, covid severity or much else, yet here you are claiming to have been right all along in some nebulous way. It’s very funny to watch.

Karsteski 4y ago
I feel like you completely ignored the point of the person you replied to...
- Nursie 4y ago
  The point seemed to be “conspiracy theorists are proven right in the end, it’s the only rational approach”, but then it claimed as evidence a bunch of stuff that hasn’t actually come true. Conspiracy theorists are not driven by facts or evidence, as a community they have a scatter-gun approach, and then retcon in “see, we were right all along” by claiming a tiny portion of their collective predictions came true, neatly forgetting the rest that didn’t. Often even those they do claim have come to pass have not, and rely on a misinterpretation or exaggeration. It’s quite funny to watch, a combination of survivorship bias, confirmation bias, wishful thinking and at times downright disingenuousness.
jakear 4y ago
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- Nursie 4y ago
  You’re doing exactly what I said, exaggerating and twisting to claim victories where there are none. That Fauci email says that masks are primarily to prevent infected people from spreading disease, and a lot of crappy masks are unlikely to do much but prevent some droplets. This was before a lot of the studies were in that showed there was some effect. People can be wrong early on, this is expected. Later on when the pandemic was really ripping through populations it was all a numbers game, to try to reduce spread by percentage. A lot of people seemed to miss that, and would say stupid things like ‘masks aren’t 100% effective” or “they don’t even protect you! They protect other people”, as if that was smart or meaningful. > Remember "vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick"? Nope, I’m not American, and it appears neither does your source, because the link that should take you to the original claim goes to some other story. > vaccine safety Yeah so you have nothing there either. Anything can affect women’s menstrual cycles. Aircraft travel, dietary changes, stress, all sorts. It's not really surprising and it's not necessarily serious. > Two weeks to flatten the curve Was too little too late and a symptom of fucked up, broken American politics. > remember when it was faux pas to suggest COVID was "just another cold"? It’s still a really stupid thing to say, sorry bub, excess deaths should show you just how dumb. > dangers of remote schooling It’s not exactly surprising that remote schooling is less effective. However saying “dangers of remote schooling” is unnecessarily hyperbolic, and this is a great example of “throwing enough shit at the wall to see if something sticks” So like I said, you’re claiming a bunch of things that no, the powers that be have not “admitted” to being true, and the rest of the world has not, actually, come to understand, and some things that were just bleeding obvious (remote schooling is less good, we should only rely on it when there are reasons to do so. Like, I don’t know, a pandemic that’s killed about 7 million people worldwide.)
  - notacoward 4y ago
    > saying “dangers of remote schooling” is unnecessarily hyperbolic Also this: teen suicides went down for the first time in ages during the pandemic, and has rebounded since. https://www.nber.org/papers/w30795 https://www.nber.org/papers/w30795 Remote-only schooling might have been negative overall, especially for the younger ones, but it's more nuanced than all good vs. all bad. There are better and worse ways to run in-person schooling. There are better and worse ways to run remote schooling. There are positive and negative effects beyond the schools themselves. There are financial and other demands on parents to consider. There are even climate-change considerations. "Dangers of remote schooling" is a shibboleth, not an argument. P.S. Thank you @Nursie for taking the time to go point by point. Much appreciated.
  - jakear 4y ago
    > Nope, I’m not American, and it appears neither does your source, because the link that should take you to the original claim goes to some other story. Here's another: https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI3bfnXzQasRYGkSx6PSY0SiUm7XCAsLkqPwEzWc6ZK1XFtwhRWycwjon4GqN1tGY6KHuHRd0aTS07seuNwhbcHNyVw1kAF56y5psmXtANtuVb-2kW5K2GG6hBmFl3zMcux_8cZxp3zvuVWxNSWoho9YJChMH2nD7Qp9Lnf4RqA2 https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated... And more: https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1376925777397186560 https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1376925777397186560 --- > Anything can affect women’s menstrual cycles [...] It's not really surprising and it's not necessarily serious. Me: Don't make the mistake of saying fucking with menstrual cycles and covering it up isn't serious, as it will out you as someone who speaks to things they have no clue about You: aight ima fuckin do it --- Besides that all your points are "your sourced claim is in disagreement with my feelings", which is hilarious coming from the "It’s very funny to watch [people talk about their feelings with no support]" guy. Also flagging isn't an appropriate response to "this person disagred with me in a civil way" but you do you.
    - jakear 4y ago
      another nice one for you: “oh don’t worry we totally won’t use these covid trackers to police you in completely unrelated matters” // “oh yah nah we 100% are doing that” https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1606381652216893440 https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1606381652216893440

by Nursie 4y ago

Karsteski 4y ago

I feel like you completely ignored the point of the person you replied to...

Nursie 4y ago
The point seemed to be “conspiracy theorists are proven right in the end, it’s the only rational approach”, but then it claimed as evidence a bunch of stuff that hasn’t actually come true. Conspiracy theorists are not driven by facts or evidence, as a community they have a scatter-gun approach, and then retcon in “see, we were right all along” by claiming a tiny portion of their collective predictions came true, neatly forgetting the rest that didn’t. Often even those they do claim have come to pass have not, and rely on a misinterpretation or exaggeration. It’s quite funny to watch, a combination of survivorship bias, confirmation bias, wishful thinking and at times downright disingenuousness.

jakear 4y ago

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Nursie 4y ago
You’re doing exactly what I said, exaggerating and twisting to claim victories where there are none. That Fauci email says that masks are primarily to prevent infected people from spreading disease, and a lot of crappy masks are unlikely to do much but prevent some droplets. This was before a lot of the studies were in that showed there was some effect. People can be wrong early on, this is expected. Later on when the pandemic was really ripping through populations it was all a numbers game, to try to reduce spread by percentage. A lot of people seemed to miss that, and would say stupid things like ‘masks aren’t 100% effective” or “they don’t even protect you! They protect other people”, as if that was smart or meaningful. > Remember "vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick"? Nope, I’m not American, and it appears neither does your source, because the link that should take you to the original claim goes to some other story. > vaccine safety Yeah so you have nothing there either. Anything can affect women’s menstrual cycles. Aircraft travel, dietary changes, stress, all sorts. It's not really surprising and it's not necessarily serious. > Two weeks to flatten the curve Was too little too late and a symptom of fucked up, broken American politics. > remember when it was faux pas to suggest COVID was "just another cold"? It’s still a really stupid thing to say, sorry bub, excess deaths should show you just how dumb. > dangers of remote schooling It’s not exactly surprising that remote schooling is less effective. However saying “dangers of remote schooling” is unnecessarily hyperbolic, and this is a great example of “throwing enough shit at the wall to see if something sticks” So like I said, you’re claiming a bunch of things that no, the powers that be have not “admitted” to being true, and the rest of the world has not, actually, come to understand, and some things that were just bleeding obvious (remote schooling is less good, we should only rely on it when there are reasons to do so. Like, I don’t know, a pandemic that’s killed about 7 million people worldwide.)
- notacoward 4y ago
  > saying “dangers of remote schooling” is unnecessarily hyperbolic Also this: teen suicides went down for the first time in ages during the pandemic, and has rebounded since. https://www.nber.org/papers/w30795 https://www.nber.org/papers/w30795 Remote-only schooling might have been negative overall, especially for the younger ones, but it's more nuanced than all good vs. all bad. There are better and worse ways to run in-person schooling. There are better and worse ways to run remote schooling. There are positive and negative effects beyond the schools themselves. There are financial and other demands on parents to consider. There are even climate-change considerations. "Dangers of remote schooling" is a shibboleth, not an argument. P.S. Thank you @Nursie for taking the time to go point by point. Much appreciated.
- jakear 4y ago
  > Nope, I’m not American, and it appears neither does your source, because the link that should take you to the original claim goes to some other story. Here's another: https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI3bfnXzQasRYGkSx6PSY0SiUm7XCAsLkqPwEzWc6ZK1XFtwhRWycwjon4GqN1tGY6KHuHRd0aTS07seuNwhbcHNyVw1kAF56y5psmXtANtuVb-2kW5K2GG6hBmFl3zMcux_8cZxp3zvuVWxNSWoho9YJChMH2nD7Qp9Lnf4RqA2 https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated... And more: https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1376925777397186560 https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1376925777397186560 --- > Anything can affect women’s menstrual cycles [...] It's not really surprising and it's not necessarily serious. Me: Don't make the mistake of saying fucking with menstrual cycles and covering it up isn't serious, as it will out you as someone who speaks to things they have no clue about You: aight ima fuckin do it --- Besides that all your points are "your sourced claim is in disagreement with my feelings", which is hilarious coming from the "It’s very funny to watch [people talk about their feelings with no support]" guy. Also flagging isn't an appropriate response to "this person disagred with me in a civil way" but you do you.
  - jakear 4y ago
    another nice one for you: “oh don’t worry we totally won’t use these covid trackers to police you in completely unrelated matters” // “oh yah nah we 100% are doing that” https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1606381652216893440 https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1606381652216893440