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Yes it was lying. Yes it was false information. No, that's not outside the scope of their role at times. Lying to people about their personal health for the gr

by causi 4y ago

Yes it was lying. Yes it was false information. No, that's not outside the scope of their role at times. Lying to people about their personal health for the greater good of society gets you the Tuskegee Experiment.

arcticbull 4y ago
Completely different, sorry, and a wildly disingenuous comparison. There was no public health crisis at the time that required this, let alone to run it for 40 years. Let's keep to intellectually honest discourse and avoid hyperbole shall we? This is a contentious enough topic as is.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  > wildly disingenuous comparison No, it is not. The parallels are there so strikingly.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    The only similarity is an authority figure said something untrue. By that measure the NORAD Santa tracker is "like Tuskegee." Shades of grey exist and context matters. The world is not black and white and that isn't comfortable. However the point of delegating authority is to make difficult decisions with imperfect information in challenging circumstances that don't make sense at an individual level. Not to mention the commenter who even made that comparison seems to have no idea what Tuskegee was actually known for (as they make no mention of the racial animus inherent in the 'study' if you can even call it that). It's wild to me that someone would make that comparison with the benefit of Wikipedia in this the year of our lord 2022.
- causi 4y ago
  Both were public health officials lying to citizens about the effectiveness of particular actions in protecting their own health. The Tuskegee Experiment directly damaged the health of 458 people and killed 128 of them. The CDC lying about masks put the health of 330 million people at risk and killed...who knows? Maybe it saved more than it killed, but it did kill people. And that's the thing. The CDC didn't come out and say "we lied to you but the ends justified the means; killing some of you was worth saving more of you". They just tried to pretend it never happened, or alternatively that nobody could possibly have any idea that face masks could help you not infect your neighbors. Primum non nocere
- themaninthedark 4y ago
  Further down thread, we acknowledge that certain doctors were dosing people with medicine and lying to them about it. >As early as November 2020, Dr. Robert Karas, the jail’s doctor, told inmates who had contracted COVID that he was giving them a cocktail of vitamins, antibiotics, and steroids when in fact he was administering dangerously high doses of the dewormer. >“At no point were Plaintiffs informed that the medications they were consuming included Ivermectin,” the lawsuit says. “Further, Plaintiffs were not informed of the side effects of the drug administered to them or that any results would be used for research purposes.” >As a result, these men experienced diarrhea, bloody stools, stomach cramps, and vision problems, the lawsuit says, all of which suggest ivermectin poisoning. Since this was in the middle of a public heath crisis, that behavior is acceptable and the doctor in question should not have lost his license, right?
metadat 4y ago
For those not already familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

by causi 4y ago

arcticbull 4y ago

Completely different, sorry, and a wildly disingenuous comparison. There was no public health crisis at the time that required this, let alone to run it for 40 years. Let's keep to intellectually honest discourse and avoid hyperbole shall we? This is a contentious enough topic as is.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
> wildly disingenuous comparison No, it is not. The parallels are there so strikingly.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  The only similarity is an authority figure said something untrue. By that measure the NORAD Santa tracker is "like Tuskegee." Shades of grey exist and context matters. The world is not black and white and that isn't comfortable. However the point of delegating authority is to make difficult decisions with imperfect information in challenging circumstances that don't make sense at an individual level. Not to mention the commenter who even made that comparison seems to have no idea what Tuskegee was actually known for (as they make no mention of the racial animus inherent in the 'study' if you can even call it that). It's wild to me that someone would make that comparison with the benefit of Wikipedia in this the year of our lord 2022.
causi 4y ago
Both were public health officials lying to citizens about the effectiveness of particular actions in protecting their own health. The Tuskegee Experiment directly damaged the health of 458 people and killed 128 of them. The CDC lying about masks put the health of 330 million people at risk and killed...who knows? Maybe it saved more than it killed, but it did kill people. And that's the thing. The CDC didn't come out and say "we lied to you but the ends justified the means; killing some of you was worth saving more of you". They just tried to pretend it never happened, or alternatively that nobody could possibly have any idea that face masks could help you not infect your neighbors. Primum non nocere
themaninthedark 4y ago
Further down thread, we acknowledge that certain doctors were dosing people with medicine and lying to them about it. >As early as November 2020, Dr. Robert Karas, the jail’s doctor, told inmates who had contracted COVID that he was giving them a cocktail of vitamins, antibiotics, and steroids when in fact he was administering dangerously high doses of the dewormer. >“At no point were Plaintiffs informed that the medications they were consuming included Ivermectin,” the lawsuit says. “Further, Plaintiffs were not informed of the side effects of the drug administered to them or that any results would be used for research purposes.” >As a result, these men experienced diarrhea, bloody stools, stomach cramps, and vision problems, the lawsuit says, all of which suggest ivermectin poisoning. Since this was in the middle of a public heath crisis, that behavior is acceptable and the doctor in question should not have lost his license, right?

metadat 4y ago

For those not already familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study