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Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment loca

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

RockRobotRock 4y ago
Between iTunes and Bandcamp, it's very easy to buy DRM free music (most of the time). In the streaming era, its basically impossible to buy TV shows and movies without DRM.
- leehuffman 4y ago
  SO EASY. Thank you. Daps up.
- codethief 4y ago
  > Between iTunes and Bandcamp …and, if I may add, shops like https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop , which fill the gap of providing HQ downloads of popular music that cannot be found on Bandcamp. I have to admit I haven't used them in years (ever since I got a Spotify account) but they used to be my go-to place for purchasing FLACs.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  Are all purchases on iTunes DRM free?
  - RockRobotRock 4y ago
    All music is.
philliphaydon 4y ago
I live in Taiwan but my CC is from Singapore. I want to get HBO but I can't because I don't have a Taiwan CC. But I can sign up for HBO Singapore but I can't use it in Taiwan... Soooo I'm subjected to pirating HBO content. Sometimes I wonder if these companies actually want to make money because they make it so far for us to give them money.
- RedShift1 4y ago
  I've never ever understood geoblocking. What kind of company says no to someone wanting to purchase their products? They are literally throwing away money.
  - prirun 4y ago
    Not defending it, but I think it's a thing because media companies want to price things according to what a country/region can afford. So if they price something cheaper for Thailand, they don't want it to work in the US. Same as drug companies.
  - OrangeMusic 4y ago
    This is just one example I know of, but in France they have laws regarding when movies are available to stream, in order to regulate competition with the movie theaters. This means that movies available in the US are often not (yet) available in France. I can imagine media companies having to deal with such rules for all countries being a nightmare to implement and then just open in the US.
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    Netflix has this nuanced aspect with languages. There's no way to filter films by: * non english (but english subs) * actual language you understand Plus subs selection is pathetic - Apple TV shines here, but it's not perfect.
satvikchoudhary 4y ago
Is Vance still working?
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Yes. I would recommend migrating to it's successor revanced though.
- recrof 4y ago
  look up ReVanced
- astkaasa 4y ago
  check revanced, it works just fine with specific version
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
I tried doing the right thing via Spotify / Apple Music / Youtube Music. All of them have issues that piracy just doesn't. Especially youtube music, sure i have access to otherwise "unpublished content" (looking at you Watsky refusing to put Wounded Healer on a streaming platform). But in a 3 hour flight I found myself iterating through all the songs I could download via the app. For spotify, why do I have to go through all the hassle to explain to a person why tf I want my account closed? Why are you not giving me the tools to manage my library better? Why do I have to manually delete every single one song instead of group select or even purging everything? I am not saying I am pirating, but I am not saying that it's a thing I will never do again. The industry should get their shit together and build something that works for the customers (us), and smaller artists as well (cough spotify cough).
leehuffman 4y ago
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- dmantis 4y ago
  Not the guy you ask, but for me, I just want convenient digital thing on my laptop I actually own, not rent. I live in 2022 and don't want that physical crap. I would have no problem to pay for DRM-free and location-independent stuff, but all this thing with "rights owners", "you can't hear that in this location", "you can't download it to listen offline and locally" is a total bullshit. I don't care what some lawman or government thinks. I also don't care about 5$ per month, that's nothing. But for my money, for any amount, I expect some respect and not this "money cow" attitude. If artists want to get money from people like me, they probably should release their works under some more ethical distribution systems, which actually respect their customers wherever they live and whatever way to listen they prefer.
  - leehuffman 4y ago
    > Not the guy you ask, but for me, I just want convenient digital thing on my laptop I actually own, not rent. I live in 2022 and don't want that physical crap. Welp I got you bruh bruh... > I would have no problem to pay for DRM-free and location-independent stuff, but all this thing with "rights owners", "you can't hear that in this location", "you can't download it to listen offline and locally" is a total bullshit. Give me your two favorite artists and I'll send you their latest releases in lossless ripped form after I cop their physical records. You pay me the cost of the physical medium (which I'll immediately turn around and go donate to the public library for others to enjoy) and I'll fully eat S&H etc aka any dollar amount over the cost of said physical medium. That fits your description of 'no problem to pay', yeah? > I don't care what some lawman or government thinks. I also don't care about 5$ per month, that's nothing. But for my money, for any amount, I expect some respect and not this "money cow" attitude. Yes all the artists I know could definitely be placed in one of your three categories; lawmen, government entities, and/or money cows. That certainly doesn't drive home my point that you're all disconnected & wildly removed from reality.
JodieBenitez 4y ago
> Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. This is not the right thing to do. Spotify is peanuts to artists. If you want to do the right thing, buy music at Bandcamp: you get files you can keep forever and artists get a fair share of your money.
- yellow_lead 4y ago
  The artists I listen to don't all sell on bandcamp (most don't).
  - JodieBenitez 4y ago
    You're the lucky one, because there's a whole universe for you to discover ;-)
- verisimi 4y ago
  Yes you're taking peanuts from the artists and sacks of peanuts from the music corporations, that provide.. er, promotion, a contract, and own the rights to the music the artist created. Although it is true artists do get something, the lion's share goes to the music corporation.
  - piva00 4y ago
    That's the part about passion industries people don't understand: the distribution side doesn't have much power to structure the payment to artists, it's all in control of the publishers (labels/movie studios/game publishers) who control a large catalogue of works and have immense leverage to negotiate all this bullshit on geo-locked content, royalties' payments to the creators, etc. Ranting about Spotify's, Apple Music's, Tidal's payments to the artists or region-locking IP is a smoke-and-mirrors move from major labels, they are the ones forcing these practices unto the distributors/streaming services.
- comprev 4y ago
  Bandcampers forget the platform is for underground artists and those not tied by contract to the heavyweight labels. You'll never see mainstream pop artists on there. I love to promote Bandcamp where possible but have to remember what it can offer to "Average Joe"
BbzzbB 4y ago
Works both ways tho. I remade my Tinder account from the Vietnamese phone number I had, have used my Canadian credit card and changed my account's phone to my Canadian one (ported to VoIP) after 3-4 weeks, but I still get billed in động for their top subscription. You could remake your Spotify account. Alternatively, make a family account and share it with 5 more members. Works out to just 3$/month (Canadian!) for us. Wonder what it would work out to from a cheaper geolocation.
- yellow_lead 4y ago
  I might try that but I have a lot of data already on my spotify account. The Spotify support tried to help me, escalated like four times, told me to talk to my bank (my card works on other sites and my bank said there should be no issues), etc. So I think it may not even work on a new account.
- notpushkin 4y ago
  It would work. But it would still be piracy: their sublicense of content to you is likely conditional on you not doing any shenanigans to get another region's pricing. So use it if you want to get recommendations, or don't want to bother managing your library, or want to give some pennies on a dollar to the actual artists. But remember, you're still a pirate. Be proud of it. Yarr! IANAL
pwinnski 4y ago
I know a number of "hardcore pirates" who pay for nearly every streaming service you can imagine, but never use the services. Instead they provide some sort of "moral cover" for their piracy. Whatever works for them, I guess.

RockRobotRock 4y ago

Between iTunes and Bandcamp, it's very easy to buy DRM free music (most of the time). In the streaming era, its basically impossible to buy TV shows and movies without DRM.

leehuffman 4y ago
SO EASY. Thank you. Daps up.
codethief 4y ago
> Between iTunes and Bandcamp …and, if I may add, shops like https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop , which fill the gap of providing HQ downloads of popular music that cannot be found on Bandcamp. I have to admit I haven't used them in years (ever since I got a Spotify account) but they used to be my go-to place for purchasing FLACs.
cassianoleal 4y ago
Are all purchases on iTunes DRM free?
- RockRobotRock 4y ago
  All music is.

philliphaydon 4y ago

I live in Taiwan but my CC is from Singapore. I want to get HBO but I can't because I don't have a Taiwan CC. But I can sign up for HBO Singapore but I can't use it in Taiwan... Soooo I'm subjected to pirating HBO content. Sometimes I wonder if these companies actually want to make money because they make it so far for us to give them money.

RedShift1 4y ago
I've never ever understood geoblocking. What kind of company says no to someone wanting to purchase their products? They are literally throwing away money.
- prirun 4y ago
  Not defending it, but I think it's a thing because media companies want to price things according to what a country/region can afford. So if they price something cheaper for Thailand, they don't want it to work in the US. Same as drug companies.
- OrangeMusic 4y ago
  This is just one example I know of, but in France they have laws regarding when movies are available to stream, in order to regulate competition with the movie theaters. This means that movies available in the US are often not (yet) available in France. I can imagine media companies having to deal with such rules for all countries being a nightmare to implement and then just open in the US.
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Netflix has this nuanced aspect with languages. There's no way to filter films by: * non english (but english subs) * actual language you understand Plus subs selection is pathetic - Apple TV shines here, but it's not perfect.

satvikchoudhary 4y ago

Is Vance still working?

charcircuit 4y ago
Yes. I would recommend migrating to it's successor revanced though.
recrof 4y ago
look up ReVanced
astkaasa 4y ago
check revanced, it works just fine with specific version

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

I tried doing the right thing via Spotify / Apple Music / Youtube Music. All of them have issues that piracy just doesn't. Especially youtube music, sure i have access to otherwise "unpublished content" (looking at you Watsky refusing to put Wounded Healer on a streaming platform). But in a 3 hour flight I found myself iterating through all the songs I could download via the app. For spotify, why do I have to go through all the hassle to explain to a person why tf I want my account closed? Why are you not giving me the tools to manage my library better? Why do I have to manually delete every single one song instead of group select or even purging everything? I am not saying I am pirating, but I am not saying that it's a thing I will never do again. The industry should get their shit together and build something that works for the customers (us), and smaller artists as well (cough spotify cough).

leehuffman 4y ago

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dmantis 4y ago
Not the guy you ask, but for me, I just want convenient digital thing on my laptop I actually own, not rent. I live in 2022 and don't want that physical crap. I would have no problem to pay for DRM-free and location-independent stuff, but all this thing with "rights owners", "you can't hear that in this location", "you can't download it to listen offline and locally" is a total bullshit. I don't care what some lawman or government thinks. I also don't care about 5$ per month, that's nothing. But for my money, for any amount, I expect some respect and not this "money cow" attitude. If artists want to get money from people like me, they probably should release their works under some more ethical distribution systems, which actually respect their customers wherever they live and whatever way to listen they prefer.
- leehuffman 4y ago
  > Not the guy you ask, but for me, I just want convenient digital thing on my laptop I actually own, not rent. I live in 2022 and don't want that physical crap. Welp I got you bruh bruh... > I would have no problem to pay for DRM-free and location-independent stuff, but all this thing with "rights owners", "you can't hear that in this location", "you can't download it to listen offline and locally" is a total bullshit. Give me your two favorite artists and I'll send you their latest releases in lossless ripped form after I cop their physical records. You pay me the cost of the physical medium (which I'll immediately turn around and go donate to the public library for others to enjoy) and I'll fully eat S&H etc aka any dollar amount over the cost of said physical medium. That fits your description of 'no problem to pay', yeah? > I don't care what some lawman or government thinks. I also don't care about 5$ per month, that's nothing. But for my money, for any amount, I expect some respect and not this "money cow" attitude. Yes all the artists I know could definitely be placed in one of your three categories; lawmen, government entities, and/or money cows. That certainly doesn't drive home my point that you're all disconnected & wildly removed from reality.

JodieBenitez 4y ago

> Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. This is not the right thing to do. Spotify is peanuts to artists. If you want to do the right thing, buy music at Bandcamp: you get files you can keep forever and artists get a fair share of your money.

yellow_lead 4y ago
The artists I listen to don't all sell on bandcamp (most don't).
- JodieBenitez 4y ago
  You're the lucky one, because there's a whole universe for you to discover ;-)
verisimi 4y ago
Yes you're taking peanuts from the artists and sacks of peanuts from the music corporations, that provide.. er, promotion, a contract, and own the rights to the music the artist created. Although it is true artists do get something, the lion's share goes to the music corporation.
- piva00 4y ago
  That's the part about passion industries people don't understand: the distribution side doesn't have much power to structure the payment to artists, it's all in control of the publishers (labels/movie studios/game publishers) who control a large catalogue of works and have immense leverage to negotiate all this bullshit on geo-locked content, royalties' payments to the creators, etc. Ranting about Spotify's, Apple Music's, Tidal's payments to the artists or region-locking IP is a smoke-and-mirrors move from major labels, they are the ones forcing these practices unto the distributors/streaming services.
comprev 4y ago
Bandcampers forget the platform is for underground artists and those not tied by contract to the heavyweight labels. You'll never see mainstream pop artists on there. I love to promote Bandcamp where possible but have to remember what it can offer to "Average Joe"

BbzzbB 4y ago

Works both ways tho. I remade my Tinder account from the Vietnamese phone number I had, have used my Canadian credit card and changed my account's phone to my Canadian one (ported to VoIP) after 3-4 weeks, but I still get billed in động for their top subscription. You could remake your Spotify account. Alternatively, make a family account and share it with 5 more members. Works out to just 3$/month (Canadian!) for us. Wonder what it would work out to from a cheaper geolocation.

yellow_lead 4y ago
I might try that but I have a lot of data already on my spotify account. The Spotify support tried to help me, escalated like four times, told me to talk to my bank (my card works on other sites and my bank said there should be no issues), etc. So I think it may not even work on a new account.
notpushkin 4y ago
It would work. But it would still be piracy: their sublicense of content to you is likely conditional on you not doing any shenanigans to get another region's pricing. So use it if you want to get recommendations, or don't want to bother managing your library, or want to give some pennies on a dollar to the actual artists. But remember, you're still a pirate. Be proud of it. Yarr! IANAL

pwinnski 4y ago

I know a number of "hardcore pirates" who pay for nearly every streaming service you can imagine, but never use the services. Instead they provide some sort of "moral cover" for their piracy. Whatever works for them, I guess.