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There’s apparently a lot of people upset about Twitter for trying to manage misinformation. I’d like to see equal information leaked from Fox for comparison, wh

by bgro 4y ago

There’s apparently a lot of people upset about Twitter for trying to manage misinformation. I’d like to see equal information leaked from Fox for comparison, who should have journalistic integrity since they’re a news company. It seems weird to me that Twitter is the only one people seem to be up in arms about, and not the times the US president did things like suggest to the public, on live national tv, that consuming bleach could cure Covid. Given that extreme level of ridiculous harmful misinformation being presented, it seems obvious to me that any reasonably ethical link in the communication chain should attempt to speak up. Twitter didn’t even really block most things, they just added a small banner alongside some statements that amount to being a reminder to check your sources.

arcticbull 4y ago
He also suggested UV lights applied from the inside of the human body could cure COVID. It remains unclear which orifice was recommended, but one was heavily implied. [1] What a weird time that was. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  You do know that this is a line of research right? https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-seen-in-covid-19-patients-treated-with-uva-light/ https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-se... https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-05-01/cedars-sinai-trump-covid-cure https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-05-01/cedars-sin... It is easy being smugly wrong.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    The first link says (my emphasis): > The investigators emphasized the preliminary nature of their research, noting that they did not demonstrate a causal link between the improvement in patient conditions and the reduced viral loads.
    - finikytou 4y ago
      I don't know why people did make fun of him suggesting using UV. CNNing of the mind works well in the distopia that has became the western world. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1011134420304942?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S101113442...
      - zimpenfish 4y ago
        But that paper is specifically not about COVID-19 - "it is reasonable to suggest a human Coronavirus HCoV-OC43 as a surrogate for SARS-CoV-2" - and is only tested in-vitro - "For each irradiation experiment 50 μl of virus suspension [...] was placed in each well of a black 24-well plate". It might encourage people to give grant money for further research but it is 100% not evidence for the efficacy of "sticking a UV light inside the body will kill COVID-19".
        finikytou 4y ago
        yes it is not evidence and I don't think trump's tone was 100% sure of it. he just asked if there might be a way. that doesn't totally sounds dumb to look at it according to prior research.
        ModernMech 4y ago
        But according to Trump he wasn’t actually asking, he was being sarcastic.
type-r 4y ago
Just to be absolutely clear -- you're claiming that nobody had any problem with Trump? Not sure what media you consume if so.
- thinking4real 4y ago
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cscurmudgeon 4y ago
You do see the difference between Fox and Twitter right? One is an open platform that is supposedly neutral and “follows the Science” and the other is media company that doesn’t pretend to be neutral.
- bagels 4y ago
  "fair and balanced"
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- ilyt 4y ago
  Twitter is neither open nor neutral
thinking4real 4y ago
“the times the US president did things like suggest to the public, on live national tv, that consuming bleach could cure Covid.” This is a lie and you should not be propagating it in the current year. It’s honestly embarrassing you can’t do primary research at all and still talk with authority.
- jamiek88 4y ago
  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjvuqjoxJn8AhWKWcAKHQhUBl0QFnoECAMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzicGxU5MfwE&usg=AOvVaw2ibdADuVgfUVP-o6rjiqq9 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
  - finikytou 4y ago
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1011134420304942?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S101113442... thats ok. you can lie and twist the reality but it won't work with people who can read or listen.
    - JoBrad 4y ago
      Pretty sure this study was put out to see if his remarks had any merit at all.
    - yosame 4y ago
      That article is about UV light, not bleach?
      - finikytou 4y ago
        because the parent video never mentionned bleach. He asked if we could have something that could disinfect from the inside. CNN translated that as bleach. just like they translated the hunter biden story as russian propaganda. that is US media so its nothing special. what is special is that educated people are talking about bleach while they have access to the source material and can tell there is not once mention of bleach
brigandish 4y ago
> It seems weird to me that Twitter is the only one people seem to be up in arms about They're the only one releasing internal files. If others did, like Facebook or Youtube, or Fox if you really want (but that would be a strange choice) do you think we'd only be up in arms about Twitter or do you think you might hear "Now it's Twitter and Facebook!" Regardless, I've seen plenty of people pointing out that this probably went on in many places, it's just harder to get worked up about a negative, implausible as it is. > Twitter didn’t even really block most things, they just added a small banner alongside some statements that amount to being a reminder to check your sources. That's simply not true and makes it seem like you haven't read the article or the associated Twitter thread. I'm not going to provide the quotes because you should've read the article instead of providing an untrue anecdote, and you can click the link above. It's also not relevant whether they blocked "most things", what matters is that they blocked true things, things provided by notable experts, and that they were blocked because they inconvenienced the powers that be or dissented from the official line.
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seydor 4y ago
But twitter is supposed to be a dumb pipe and its role is to facilitate the debate, not to take sides. That's why people are upset. The parallelism is not with Fox, but like if FCC was jamming the airwaves of tv channels it doesnt like It still seems weird to me to give digital services a free pass on ethical matters
- mazurnification 4y ago
  Then why dumb pipe should be worth 44B$? And you are contradicting yourself - if something is facilitate debate (as opposed to enable) then it is not dumb.
  - seydor 4y ago
    Do satellites and telephone wires not facilitate debate?
concordDance 4y ago
> not the times the US president did things like suggest to the public, on live national tv, that consuming bleach could cure Covid. That's not what he did: https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/ https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/... "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?" He continued. "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
BryantD 4y ago
It’s even worse than that! We’re getting some internal Fox News communications as a result of the Dominion lawsuit and nobody cares that Hannity knew the election fraud claims were false. He just went right ahead and interviewed Sidney Powell anyhow.
horns4lyfe 4y ago
You don’t think people are up in arms about Trump or Fox News? We live in very different realities. Also, you’re comparing apples to oranges here.
MrMan 4y ago
the explicit mandate of Fox is to spread lies to try to increase division in the US and to weaken the country. it would be weird to complain aobut this if you also want to destroy the country from within

by bgro 4y ago

arcticbull 4y ago

He also suggested UV lights applied from the inside of the human body could cure COVID. It remains unclear which orifice was recommended, but one was heavily implied. [1] What a weird time that was. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
You do know that this is a line of research right? https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-seen-in-covid-19-patients-treated-with-uva-light/ https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-se... https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-05-01/cedars-sinai-trump-covid-cure https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-05-01/cedars-sin... It is easy being smugly wrong.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  The first link says (my emphasis): > The investigators emphasized the preliminary nature of their research, noting that they did not demonstrate a causal link between the improvement in patient conditions and the reduced viral loads.
  - finikytou 4y ago
    I don't know why people did make fun of him suggesting using UV. CNNing of the mind works well in the distopia that has became the western world. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1011134420304942?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S101113442...
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      But that paper is specifically not about COVID-19 - "it is reasonable to suggest a human Coronavirus HCoV-OC43 as a surrogate for SARS-CoV-2" - and is only tested in-vitro - "For each irradiation experiment 50 μl of virus suspension [...] was placed in each well of a black 24-well plate". It might encourage people to give grant money for further research but it is 100% not evidence for the efficacy of "sticking a UV light inside the body will kill COVID-19".
      - finikytou 4y ago
        yes it is not evidence and I don't think trump's tone was 100% sure of it. he just asked if there might be a way. that doesn't totally sounds dumb to look at it according to prior research.
        ModernMech 4y ago
        But according to Trump he wasn’t actually asking, he was being sarcastic.

type-r 4y ago

Just to be absolutely clear -- you're claiming that nobody had any problem with Trump? Not sure what media you consume if so.

thinking4real 4y ago
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cscurmudgeon 4y ago

You do see the difference between Fox and Twitter right? One is an open platform that is supposedly neutral and “follows the Science” and the other is media company that doesn’t pretend to be neutral.

bagels 4y ago
"fair and balanced"
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ilyt 4y ago
Twitter is neither open nor neutral

thinking4real 4y ago

“the times the US president did things like suggest to the public, on live national tv, that consuming bleach could cure Covid.” This is a lie and you should not be propagating it in the current year. It’s honestly embarrassing you can’t do primary research at all and still talk with authority.

jamiek88 4y ago
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjvuqjoxJn8AhWKWcAKHQhUBl0QFnoECAMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzicGxU5MfwE&usg=AOvVaw2ibdADuVgfUVP-o6rjiqq9 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
- finikytou 4y ago
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1011134420304942?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S101113442... thats ok. you can lie and twist the reality but it won't work with people who can read or listen.
  - JoBrad 4y ago
    Pretty sure this study was put out to see if his remarks had any merit at all.
  - yosame 4y ago
    That article is about UV light, not bleach?
    - finikytou 4y ago
      because the parent video never mentionned bleach. He asked if we could have something that could disinfect from the inside. CNN translated that as bleach. just like they translated the hunter biden story as russian propaganda. that is US media so its nothing special. what is special is that educated people are talking about bleach while they have access to the source material and can tell there is not once mention of bleach

brigandish 4y ago

> It seems weird to me that Twitter is the only one people seem to be up in arms about They're the only one releasing internal files. If others did, like Facebook or Youtube, or Fox if you really want (but that would be a strange choice) do you think we'd only be up in arms about Twitter or do you think you might hear "Now it's Twitter and Facebook!" Regardless, I've seen plenty of people pointing out that this probably went on in many places, it's just harder to get worked up about a negative, implausible as it is. > Twitter didn’t even really block most things, they just added a small banner alongside some statements that amount to being a reminder to check your sources. That's simply not true and makes it seem like you haven't read the article or the associated Twitter thread. I'm not going to provide the quotes because you should've read the article instead of providing an untrue anecdote, and you can click the link above. It's also not relevant whether they blocked "most things", what matters is that they blocked true things, things provided by notable experts, and that they were blocked because they inconvenienced the powers that be or dissented from the official line.

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seydor 4y ago

But twitter is supposed to be a dumb pipe and its role is to facilitate the debate, not to take sides. That's why people are upset. The parallelism is not with Fox, but like if FCC was jamming the airwaves of tv channels it doesnt like It still seems weird to me to give digital services a free pass on ethical matters

mazurnification 4y ago
Then why dumb pipe should be worth 44B$? And you are contradicting yourself - if something is facilitate debate (as opposed to enable) then it is not dumb.
- seydor 4y ago
  Do satellites and telephone wires not facilitate debate?

concordDance 4y ago

> not the times the US president did things like suggest to the public, on live national tv, that consuming bleach could cure Covid. That's not what he did: https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/ https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/... "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?" He continued. "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

BryantD 4y ago

It’s even worse than that! We’re getting some internal Fox News communications as a result of the Dominion lawsuit and nobody cares that Hannity knew the election fraud claims were false. He just went right ahead and interviewed Sidney Powell anyhow.

horns4lyfe 4y ago

You don’t think people are up in arms about Trump or Fox News? We live in very different realities. Also, you’re comparing apples to oranges here.

MrMan 4y ago

the explicit mandate of Fox is to spread lies to try to increase division in the US and to weaken the country. it would be weird to complain aobut this if you also want to destroy the country from within