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Or the moon isn't made out of cheese and if someone tries to tell you that it is you should walk away, not spend time trying to argue with them. No one owes ex

Or the moon isn't made out of cheese and if someone tries to tell you that it is you should walk away, not spend time trying to argue with them. No one owes explanations for the obvious.

jdthedisciple 4y ago
Obviously you didn't understand parent comment.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  I did.
  - cf141q5325 4y ago
    I dont think its possible to can answer this with the amount of certainty you have. At least i truly hope it. Because if you actually did understand it and still answer this way, you just acknowledged that you are way past wanting to figure out reality. My point is that you dont have the competence to determine what not to verify because doing so robs you of the ability to determine the implications. Which is commonly caused by a lack of emotional maturity to deal with this inherent problem of stupidity humans have. By still not wanting to think about it you accept all the problems you apparently now know exist and just ignore it in favor of a better self image. This is not an attack on personal shortcommings but something every human has to deal with. And you didnt just make this decision personally, but think its a good idea to push this onto other people. That means "the problem" from your initial point is people trying to deal with a difficult problem you prefer to ignore and offer no substitute solution to while knowing how horrible the consequences will be. Put over the top, its people having the audacity to think about stuff that runs the risk of poking holes in your delusion once you hear about it. I dont believe you actually mean to say this. This would be malice. Its screw reality and its consequences in favor of your feelings. It would be conscious solopsism. Please tell me how i am wrong instead of coming up with stories about how you get to do it regardless. I truly want there to be a cooperative solution and i am really confident that it should be possible. We should be able to agree that figuring out reality is something we all have incentives to do that outweigh wanting to feel right. I am very sorry that the posts are this long, but the shorter this gets, the more confrontational this sounds and the less likely useful progress is. edit: I also wrote such a lengthy response so you hopefully realize what you just told the entire world with your personal details in your account info. Because this could qualify as consent for getting "patched" for a lack of a better term. Having you do that was not my intent.
    - insanitybit 4y ago
      No, I was purposefully glib and dismissive exactly because I understood your post.
      - imwillofficial 4y ago
        This is helpful in constructive dialogue how exactly? You’ve been engaged in good faith, it’s only good manners to return the favor.
        insanitybit 4y ago
        Sounds like you've missed my point.
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        Perhaps, it's been known to happen. Can you restate it in a new way I might understand?
        insanitybit 4y ago
        No, that's the point.
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        You need therapy.
      - cf141q5325 4y ago
        Thanks for the response
cf141q5325 4y ago
You no longer have the means to determine what is obvious if you mess with which parts of your worldview are up for verification. You just have a story you dont want to question for believing what you want to belief. This is an incredibly bad idea. To take the moon example, congratulations for figuring out its not made from actual Swiss cheese. Its a great first step. Unfortunately there isnt complete knowledge about everything you ever need to know about the moon attached to not believing it to be cheese. You having wrong or incomplete knowledge of the moon doesnt mean the moon is made from cheese. And people trying to communicate to you an angle you are missing can extremely easy be framed to sound like "moon is made up of Swiss cheese". Its using strawmen arguments to figure out reality instead of trying to steelmen people to figure out what they are looking at where they maybe overshot to deal with a problem you are unaware of. You didnt just finish thinking by having determined some stuff to be stupid. You are not done. I get that you think this needs some means of simplification but reality doesnt care about what you think should or needs to be possible.

Or the moon isn't made out of cheese and if someone tries to tell you that it is you should walk away, not spend time trying to argue with them. No one owes explanations for the obvious.

jdthedisciple 4y ago

Obviously you didn't understand parent comment.

insanitybit 4y ago
I did.
- cf141q5325 4y ago
  I dont think its possible to can answer this with the amount of certainty you have. At least i truly hope it. Because if you actually did understand it and still answer this way, you just acknowledged that you are way past wanting to figure out reality. My point is that you dont have the competence to determine what not to verify because doing so robs you of the ability to determine the implications. Which is commonly caused by a lack of emotional maturity to deal with this inherent problem of stupidity humans have. By still not wanting to think about it you accept all the problems you apparently now know exist and just ignore it in favor of a better self image. This is not an attack on personal shortcommings but something every human has to deal with. And you didnt just make this decision personally, but think its a good idea to push this onto other people. That means "the problem" from your initial point is people trying to deal with a difficult problem you prefer to ignore and offer no substitute solution to while knowing how horrible the consequences will be. Put over the top, its people having the audacity to think about stuff that runs the risk of poking holes in your delusion once you hear about it. I dont believe you actually mean to say this. This would be malice. Its screw reality and its consequences in favor of your feelings. It would be conscious solopsism. Please tell me how i am wrong instead of coming up with stories about how you get to do it regardless. I truly want there to be a cooperative solution and i am really confident that it should be possible. We should be able to agree that figuring out reality is something we all have incentives to do that outweigh wanting to feel right. I am very sorry that the posts are this long, but the shorter this gets, the more confrontational this sounds and the less likely useful progress is. edit: I also wrote such a lengthy response so you hopefully realize what you just told the entire world with your personal details in your account info. Because this could qualify as consent for getting "patched" for a lack of a better term. Having you do that was not my intent.
  - insanitybit 4y ago
    No, I was purposefully glib and dismissive exactly because I understood your post.
    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      This is helpful in constructive dialogue how exactly? You’ve been engaged in good faith, it’s only good manners to return the favor.
      - insanitybit 4y ago
        Sounds like you've missed my point.
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        Perhaps, it's been known to happen. Can you restate it in a new way I might understand?
        insanitybit 4y ago
        No, that's the point.
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        You need therapy.
    - cf141q5325 4y ago
      Thanks for the response

cf141q5325 4y ago

You no longer have the means to determine what is obvious if you mess with which parts of your worldview are up for verification. You just have a story you dont want to question for believing what you want to belief. This is an incredibly bad idea. To take the moon example, congratulations for figuring out its not made from actual Swiss cheese. Its a great first step. Unfortunately there isnt complete knowledge about everything you ever need to know about the moon attached to not believing it to be cheese. You having wrong or incomplete knowledge of the moon doesnt mean the moon is made from cheese. And people trying to communicate to you an angle you are missing can extremely easy be framed to sound like "moon is made up of Swiss cheese". Its using strawmen arguments to figure out reality instead of trying to steelmen people to figure out what they are looking at where they maybe overshot to deal with a problem you are unaware of. You didnt just finish thinking by having determined some stuff to be stupid. You are not done. I get that you think this needs some means of simplification but reality doesnt care about what you think should or needs to be possible.