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Sounds like extreme confirmation bias. Just a couple of counterpoints: Everyone taking the vaccine was supposed to be long dead. Women taking it were supposed t

Sounds like extreme confirmation bias. Just a couple of counterpoints: Everyone taking the vaccine was supposed to be long dead. Women taking it were supposed to be sterile, and men too. There are billions of people who took and still... barely anything.

etchalon 4y ago
Exactly. Contrarians have this utterly weird propensity to demand the "official" or "mainstream" opinion be perfectly accurate, while holding absolutely no standards for the other side of the debate. "Just asking questions", etc.
- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  It is not unreasonable to demand the censor be 100% correct all the time while also not demanding all silenced opinions be equally valid. The burden when you will not allow others to spread their ideas is sheer perfection.
  - etchalon 4y ago
    It's unreasonable, in that it's a standard that can (likely) ever be met. When it comes to the state, I believe the reason we require such broad free speech protections is precisely because perfection can never be attained, and the state holds an unfair advantage in force, and in law. But it's just hyperbolic nonsense to consider nearly any private company, let alone one with such marginal reach as Twitter, as possessing such a monopoly on information that they have to be treated the same as the state. And it's transparently ideological when I see someone demand perfection from non-state sources while championing alternatives with records far worse.
    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      I championed nothing. I merely proposed that listening to alternative viewpoints on controversial topics is now something that is now on the table for me. Literally a Strawman.
      - etchalon 4y ago
        It's a threaded discussion. I wasn't replying to you.
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        Neither did they. Leave the Strawman alone, you beat him up enough.
cf141q5325 4y ago
You do realize that you just listed a bunch of really dumb caricatures as the argument for why you dont have to think about stuff? Reality finding doesnt work by just pointing at laughing at the few people dumber then you. Thats a description of propaganda, if you spend more and more time concerned with dumber and dumber caricatures, there is a really good chance somebody is feeding you with framed stuff to react to to come to predetermined conclusions. Not being the actual dumbest person in the room doesnt mean you are somehow done figuring stuff out. Treating this as a matter of binary sides overlooks the issue that there is no "reasonable default" to fall back on. Finding that position is the actual practical problem. Thats an iterative process of verification and reality truly doesnt care that you made out somebody dumber then yourself. I said it in the other post, i find this to be an extremely difficult conversation. After all, how do you tell people in a constructive way to really consider their emotional maturity when it comes to this not at all being trivial problem.

etchalon 4y ago

Exactly. Contrarians have this utterly weird propensity to demand the "official" or "mainstream" opinion be perfectly accurate, while holding absolutely no standards for the other side of the debate. "Just asking questions", etc.

ohCh6zos 4y ago
It is not unreasonable to demand the censor be 100% correct all the time while also not demanding all silenced opinions be equally valid. The burden when you will not allow others to spread their ideas is sheer perfection.
- etchalon 4y ago
  It's unreasonable, in that it's a standard that can (likely) ever be met. When it comes to the state, I believe the reason we require such broad free speech protections is precisely because perfection can never be attained, and the state holds an unfair advantage in force, and in law. But it's just hyperbolic nonsense to consider nearly any private company, let alone one with such marginal reach as Twitter, as possessing such a monopoly on information that they have to be treated the same as the state. And it's transparently ideological when I see someone demand perfection from non-state sources while championing alternatives with records far worse.
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    I championed nothing. I merely proposed that listening to alternative viewpoints on controversial topics is now something that is now on the table for me. Literally a Strawman.
    - etchalon 4y ago
      It's a threaded discussion. I wasn't replying to you.
      - imwillofficial 4y ago
        Neither did they. Leave the Strawman alone, you beat him up enough.

cf141q5325 4y ago

You do realize that you just listed a bunch of really dumb caricatures as the argument for why you dont have to think about stuff? Reality finding doesnt work by just pointing at laughing at the few people dumber then you. Thats a description of propaganda, if you spend more and more time concerned with dumber and dumber caricatures, there is a really good chance somebody is feeding you with framed stuff to react to to come to predetermined conclusions. Not being the actual dumbest person in the room doesnt mean you are somehow done figuring stuff out. Treating this as a matter of binary sides overlooks the issue that there is no "reasonable default" to fall back on. Finding that position is the actual practical problem. Thats an iterative process of verification and reality truly doesnt care that you made out somebody dumber then yourself. I said it in the other post, i find this to be an extremely difficult conversation. After all, how do you tell people in a constructive way to really consider their emotional maturity when it comes to this not at all being trivial problem.