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There’s a revival of kids not being given other vaccines as well. The knock on effects from the absolute bad faith mess from discourse around vaccines is going

by rtpg 4y ago

There’s a revival of kids not being given other vaccines as well. The knock on effects from the absolute bad faith mess from discourse around vaccines is going to fuck up so much in public health for decades. I am sympathetic to skepticism when public health officials spent a lot of time lying to avoid having to explain complicated truths. But so many bad faith voices and outright scammers with nonsense vitamins to sell are going to get what they want.

jacquesm 4y ago
> There’s a revival of kids not being given other vaccines as well. Yes, the anti-vaxx (and anti-government) sentiment has received an enormous boost from this, time will tell what the damage is but a resurgence of things like Polio is not out of the question. > I am sympathetic to skepticism when public health officials spent a lot of time lying to avoid having to explain complicated truths. I'm partially ok with that. They really should give out a double helping of advice: one that is dumbed down for those that lack the necessary background, one that is more on the level for those interested or that do have the necessary background. As it is the dumbed down version is all we've got and the result is that it is too easy to poke holes in it. At the same time, some of the under-preparedness would have been much harder to deal with without the occasional white lie, it stopped a lot of profiteering and kept some items in supply when otherwise there would have been a run on them. > But so many bad faith voices and outright scammers with nonsense vitamins to sell are going to get what they want. Yes, and fwiw I think those people should have gone to jail. We're working on a couple of those cases here NL at the moment and I'm really curious what the outcome will be.
- Yhippa 4y ago
  > time will tell what the damage is but a resurgence of things like Polio is not out of the question. We're about to find out, buddy. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/04/how-polio-silently-spread-in-new-york-and-left-a-person-paralyzed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/04/how-polio-silently-spread-in...
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Ugh. Ok. Let's hope they manage to contain it and that the anti-vaxx crowd will realize in time what kind of risks they are playing with.
- ckvjdonee 4y ago
  The white lie didn't stop profiteering, it was transparent for anyone watching with their eyes open and only made hoarding worse. Telling the truth would have resulted in far less supply shocks, instead, half the population willfully ignored the obvious lie by putting their heads in the sand and the other half ratcheted up their preparedness (because the govt clearly lying about everything at this point)

by rtpg 4y ago

jacquesm 4y ago

> There’s a revival of kids not being given other vaccines as well. Yes, the anti-vaxx (and anti-government) sentiment has received an enormous boost from this, time will tell what the damage is but a resurgence of things like Polio is not out of the question. > I am sympathetic to skepticism when public health officials spent a lot of time lying to avoid having to explain complicated truths. I'm partially ok with that. They really should give out a double helping of advice: one that is dumbed down for those that lack the necessary background, one that is more on the level for those interested or that do have the necessary background. As it is the dumbed down version is all we've got and the result is that it is too easy to poke holes in it. At the same time, some of the under-preparedness would have been much harder to deal with without the occasional white lie, it stopped a lot of profiteering and kept some items in supply when otherwise there would have been a run on them. > But so many bad faith voices and outright scammers with nonsense vitamins to sell are going to get what they want. Yes, and fwiw I think those people should have gone to jail. We're working on a couple of those cases here NL at the moment and I'm really curious what the outcome will be.

Yhippa 4y ago
> time will tell what the damage is but a resurgence of things like Polio is not out of the question. We're about to find out, buddy. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/04/how-polio-silently-spread-in-new-york-and-left-a-person-paralyzed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/04/how-polio-silently-spread-in...
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Ugh. Ok. Let's hope they manage to contain it and that the anti-vaxx crowd will realize in time what kind of risks they are playing with.
ckvjdonee 4y ago
The white lie didn't stop profiteering, it was transparent for anyone watching with their eyes open and only made hoarding worse. Telling the truth would have resulted in far less supply shocks, instead, half the population willfully ignored the obvious lie by putting their heads in the sand and the other half ratcheted up their preparedness (because the govt clearly lying about everything at this point)