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HN readers lean toward the establishment narratives.

by kodyo 4y ago

jacquesm 4y ago
I wonder for how long that will still be the case. The fringe is getting more and more grip on HN and we may well be fighting a losing battle.
- dgfitz 4y ago
  Funny thing about pendulums…
- kodyo 4y ago
  There should be more mistrust of the institutions that lie without cessation.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    The answer to this seems to be deciding YouTube videos are authoritative. Or other completely random sources which don't offer any credible evidence that their narrative is any better than the mainstream sources.
    - kodyo 4y ago
      Most people are going to believe what they see on their screens. Therefore, it’s important to the regime to influence what gets amplified or suppressed.
      - laserdancepony 4y ago
        So, in your book, the US is under a regime now? A junta? I belive actual underlings of oppressive regimes around the world would beg to differ.
  - batch12 4y ago
    This is true, but I think some are trying to have one space that isn't overwhelmed with these divisive conversations. It still leaks in, but the discourse usually doesn't degenerate into nastiness as much as I see on other sites.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Institutions like 'Elon Musk'?
- malandrew 4y ago
  [flagged]
- ryandrake 4y ago
  Long time poster here. It was shocking to witness the last few years here. We have an absolutely remarkable and effective moderation system here and tireless, under-thanked mods doing the work. Looking at showdead, they are so good at moderating away the spam, nazis, trolls, and other various off topic troublemakers. I’m so grateful for having them here. They walk the line making difficult judgment calls, and have consistently struck the right balance… until the COVID madness. I don’t know what it was, but we got absolutely flooded with crap, and I guess the sheer volume was just too much for the manual, human moderating system. It got to the point where I had to just keep myself out of COVID threads because there was no longer any thread of nonsense that wasn’t already posted hundreds of times before. Karma-voting in those threads was always a roller coaster, too. Such an odd departure from an otherwise amazing site.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    And many of those same accounts are now pushing the current 'Twitter Files' narrative as though they were right all along. People seem to forget that Elon Musk was willing to throw his employees under the bus for his personal gain, and yet they now trust a selective reading of history driven by that very same person.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. I don't care much for anything Musk says, or even what the reporters who publish this stuff say. The meat is the emails themselves, and the referenced tweets. And none of that has anything to do with Musk.
      - ModernMech 4y ago
        Musk is the one who controls what is being released, so he’s shaping the entire narrative. This has been the case since the first of the so-called Twitter Files, which focused on Twitter responding to requests from the Biden campaign to remove Tweets. The context Musk had but didn’t release was that the tweets in question were nude photographs. Obviously that context changes the narrative considerably. The other issue from that initial post was that requests from the actual government at the time, the Trump administration, were completely glossed over. What’s the most telling is that despite having access to the information that would prove the strong claims surrounding these Files (government censorship! FBI paying Twitter! Twitter tilted for Democrats!), Musk withholds that information and instead tries to prove his case through innuendo and suggestion. Like you said, the meat is the e-mails. So why are we only getting to see a portion of them filtered through narrative spinning journalists? To me that says the strong information that would prove the Files doesn’t exist at all, so the strong claims of the Files are likely false.
akomtu 4y ago
Meh, HN seems very reasonable, but it seems there is small and very active group that flags posts like this. An organized group of 10-50 accounts can quickly censor anything, unless the mods intervene. Imo, flagging a post must be accompanied by an explanation, and the mods should review these explanations from time to time to catch such censorship teams.
- batch12 4y ago
  Do you really think it's coordinated, or do you think it's more likely they just are like minded?
EdwardDiego 4y ago
Or, they apply less weight to fringe narratives, because, well, gestures at Internet.

HN readers lean toward the establishment narratives.

by kodyo 4y ago

HN readers lean toward the establishment narratives.

I wonder for how long that will still be the case. The fringe is getting more and more grip on HN and we may well be fighting a losing battle.

dgfitz 4y ago
Funny thing about pendulums…
kodyo 4y ago
There should be more mistrust of the institutions that lie without cessation.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  The answer to this seems to be deciding YouTube videos are authoritative. Or other completely random sources which don't offer any credible evidence that their narrative is any better than the mainstream sources.
  - kodyo 4y ago
    Most people are going to believe what they see on their screens. Therefore, it’s important to the regime to influence what gets amplified or suppressed.
    - laserdancepony 4y ago
      So, in your book, the US is under a regime now? A junta? I belive actual underlings of oppressive regimes around the world would beg to differ.
- batch12 4y ago
  This is true, but I think some are trying to have one space that isn't overwhelmed with these divisive conversations. It still leaks in, but the discourse usually doesn't degenerate into nastiness as much as I see on other sites.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Institutions like 'Elon Musk'?
malandrew 4y ago
[flagged]
ryandrake 4y ago
Long time poster here. It was shocking to witness the last few years here. We have an absolutely remarkable and effective moderation system here and tireless, under-thanked mods doing the work. Looking at showdead, they are so good at moderating away the spam, nazis, trolls, and other various off topic troublemakers. I’m so grateful for having them here. They walk the line making difficult judgment calls, and have consistently struck the right balance… until the COVID madness. I don’t know what it was, but we got absolutely flooded with crap, and I guess the sheer volume was just too much for the manual, human moderating system. It got to the point where I had to just keep myself out of COVID threads because there was no longer any thread of nonsense that wasn’t already posted hundreds of times before. Karma-voting in those threads was always a roller coaster, too. Such an odd departure from an otherwise amazing site.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  And many of those same accounts are now pushing the current 'Twitter Files' narrative as though they were right all along. People seem to forget that Elon Musk was willing to throw his employees under the bus for his personal gain, and yet they now trust a selective reading of history driven by that very same person.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. I don't care much for anything Musk says, or even what the reporters who publish this stuff say. The meat is the emails themselves, and the referenced tweets. And none of that has anything to do with Musk.
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      Musk is the one who controls what is being released, so he’s shaping the entire narrative. This has been the case since the first of the so-called Twitter Files, which focused on Twitter responding to requests from the Biden campaign to remove Tweets. The context Musk had but didn’t release was that the tweets in question were nude photographs. Obviously that context changes the narrative considerably. The other issue from that initial post was that requests from the actual government at the time, the Trump administration, were completely glossed over. What’s the most telling is that despite having access to the information that would prove the strong claims surrounding these Files (government censorship! FBI paying Twitter! Twitter tilted for Democrats!), Musk withholds that information and instead tries to prove his case through innuendo and suggestion. Like you said, the meat is the e-mails. So why are we only getting to see a portion of them filtered through narrative spinning journalists? To me that says the strong information that would prove the Files doesn’t exist at all, so the strong claims of the Files are likely false.

akomtu 4y ago

Meh, HN seems very reasonable, but it seems there is small and very active group that flags posts like this. An organized group of 10-50 accounts can quickly censor anything, unless the mods intervene. Imo, flagging a post must be accompanied by an explanation, and the mods should review these explanations from time to time to catch such censorship teams.

batch12 4y ago
Do you really think it's coordinated, or do you think it's more likely they just are like minded?

EdwardDiego 4y ago

Or, they apply less weight to fringe narratives, because, well, gestures at Internet.