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Conspiracy theory is just the news in 6 months. Hell at this rate I’d hear somebody out if they said the moon is made of cheese. What a time to be alive.

insanitybit 4y ago
> Hell at this rate I’d hear somebody out if they said the moon is made of cheese. Right. That's the problem.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  because it’s dangerous to listen to other peoples opinions?
  - insanitybit 4y ago
    Why would it not be dangerous?
    - goatlover 4y ago
      Should we suppress other people's opinions, then?
      - insanitybit 4y ago
        To the extent that we should be allowed to moderate content within the domains that we have ownership over, absolutely.
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        This point of view is dangerous in my eyes.
- cf141q5325 4y ago
  It only starts to become a problem if you cant explain why its wrong. Having parts of your worldview that you told yourself are not up for verification is exactly how being wrong looks like from the perspective of somebody who is. And once you no longer have a means of verifying reality, you have no way to comprehend what you actually ignore and what the consequences are. You just blinded yourself because you felt smart enough to not need it. By deciding what people (not just you) should or shouldnt think about you identified the problem, that people could be too dumb for that consideration and make mistakes, while blatantly ignoring that the same might not just apply to your decision as well, but that you are removing the fundamental solution to said problem. Verification. Thats the problem. Not comprehending that the problem is more difficult that it seems and that the "easy" solution you propose has fundamental flaws that will result in catastrophic failure. Or worse, comprehending it but being overwhelmed and deciding to at least feel right regardless. And unfortunately, i dont see a third option outside of said incompetence or said malice. I truly hope i am wrong because unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people embracing this stuff. But it also wouldnt be too surprising because talking about this gets awfully close to violating the board rules. Which would explain why this catastrophic idea can so easily spread.
  - insanitybit 4y ago
    Or the moon isn't made out of cheese and if someone tries to tell you that it is you should walk away, not spend time trying to argue with them. No one owes explanations for the obvious.
    - jdthedisciple 4y ago
      Obviously you didn't understand parent comment.
      - insanitybit 4y ago
        I did.
        4y ago
belltaco 4y ago
Sounds like extreme confirmation bias. Just a couple of counterpoints: Everyone taking the vaccine was supposed to be long dead. Women taking it were supposed to be sterile, and men too. There are billions of people who took and still... barely anything.
- etchalon 4y ago
  Exactly. Contrarians have this utterly weird propensity to demand the "official" or "mainstream" opinion be perfectly accurate, while holding absolutely no standards for the other side of the debate. "Just asking questions", etc.
  - ohCh6zos 4y ago
    It is not unreasonable to demand the censor be 100% correct all the time while also not demanding all silenced opinions be equally valid. The burden when you will not allow others to spread their ideas is sheer perfection.
    - etchalon 4y ago
      It's unreasonable, in that it's a standard that can (likely) ever be met. When it comes to the state, I believe the reason we require such broad free speech protections is precisely because perfection can never be attained, and the state holds an unfair advantage in force, and in law. But it's just hyperbolic nonsense to consider nearly any private company, let alone one with such marginal reach as Twitter, as possessing such a monopoly on information that they have to be treated the same as the state. And it's transparently ideological when I see someone demand perfection from non-state sources while championing alternatives with records far worse.
      - imwillofficial 4y ago
        I championed nothing. I merely proposed that listening to alternative viewpoints on controversial topics is now something that is now on the table for me. Literally a Strawman.

insanitybit 4y ago

> Hell at this rate I’d hear somebody out if they said the moon is made of cheese. Right. That's the problem.

imwillofficial 4y ago
because it’s dangerous to listen to other peoples opinions?
- insanitybit 4y ago
  Why would it not be dangerous?
  - goatlover 4y ago
    Should we suppress other people's opinions, then?
    - insanitybit 4y ago
      To the extent that we should be allowed to moderate content within the domains that we have ownership over, absolutely.
      - imwillofficial 4y ago
        This point of view is dangerous in my eyes.
cf141q5325 4y ago
It only starts to become a problem if you cant explain why its wrong. Having parts of your worldview that you told yourself are not up for verification is exactly how being wrong looks like from the perspective of somebody who is. And once you no longer have a means of verifying reality, you have no way to comprehend what you actually ignore and what the consequences are. You just blinded yourself because you felt smart enough to not need it. By deciding what people (not just you) should or shouldnt think about you identified the problem, that people could be too dumb for that consideration and make mistakes, while blatantly ignoring that the same might not just apply to your decision as well, but that you are removing the fundamental solution to said problem. Verification. Thats the problem. Not comprehending that the problem is more difficult that it seems and that the "easy" solution you propose has fundamental flaws that will result in catastrophic failure. Or worse, comprehending it but being overwhelmed and deciding to at least feel right regardless. And unfortunately, i dont see a third option outside of said incompetence or said malice. I truly hope i am wrong because unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people embracing this stuff. But it also wouldnt be too surprising because talking about this gets awfully close to violating the board rules. Which would explain why this catastrophic idea can so easily spread.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  Or the moon isn't made out of cheese and if someone tries to tell you that it is you should walk away, not spend time trying to argue with them. No one owes explanations for the obvious.
  - jdthedisciple 4y ago
    Obviously you didn't understand parent comment.
    - insanitybit 4y ago
      I did.
      - 4y ago

belltaco 4y ago

Sounds like extreme confirmation bias. Just a couple of counterpoints: Everyone taking the vaccine was supposed to be long dead. Women taking it were supposed to be sterile, and men too. There are billions of people who took and still... barely anything.

etchalon 4y ago
Exactly. Contrarians have this utterly weird propensity to demand the "official" or "mainstream" opinion be perfectly accurate, while holding absolutely no standards for the other side of the debate. "Just asking questions", etc.
- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  It is not unreasonable to demand the censor be 100% correct all the time while also not demanding all silenced opinions be equally valid. The burden when you will not allow others to spread their ideas is sheer perfection.
  - etchalon 4y ago
    It's unreasonable, in that it's a standard that can (likely) ever be met. When it comes to the state, I believe the reason we require such broad free speech protections is precisely because perfection can never be attained, and the state holds an unfair advantage in force, and in law. But it's just hyperbolic nonsense to consider nearly any private company, let alone one with such marginal reach as Twitter, as possessing such a monopoly on information that they have to be treated the same as the state. And it's transparently ideological when I see someone demand perfection from non-state sources while championing alternatives with records far worse.
    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      I championed nothing. I merely proposed that listening to alternative viewpoints on controversial topics is now something that is now on the table for me. Literally a Strawman.