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The laws being brought into effect by The Party beg to differ. They forbid the use of terms of "gender identity" among others. This is pretty obviously only bei

The laws being brought into effect by The Party beg to differ. They forbid the use of terms of "gender identity" among others. This is pretty obviously only being enforced against trans individuals. They also have restricted access to gender affirming healthcare even in the private sector.

kcplate 4y ago
>They forbid the use of the terms gender identity among others Please cite the laws where this term is legally forbidden to be used. And please don’t give us examples where a government agency that might just use a different term, because that is not the same thing. Pleas give us so e specific laws where it’s use is overtly forbidden. > They also have restricted access to gender affirming healthcare even in the private sector You are making a blanket generalized statement here but how about you give us what “they” are actually restricting and what their argument as to why they are restricting it actually is and why that argument is wrong. Not knowing what specifics you are referring to, but my suspicion is the what is the use of puberty blockers and the who is young children. That would make your statement lack some important nuance. It’s also not necessarily an unusual or even controversial stance for conservatives to act conservatively in regards to supporting novel medical treatments on children. Especially treatments that are even polarizing within medical circles and can have a lifelong impact.
- DoctorOW 4y ago
  I included more than enough information for anyone with basic reading comprehension to be able to generate their own Google search terms. Laws are public record.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    No offense but it’s lazy to just give partisan generic talking points and tell people to “go Google”. I think the conservative positions that are specific to trans and gender issues seem to center around children. At least from the conversations I have had with conservative friends on the topic that has been the concern they have. If that is not the case, provide something to prove me wrong. You do your argument a disservice if you cannot provide depth beyond generics.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      You have not given any sources in your comments, this person is just operating in the mode you set them up for. Where is the left pushing these policies on children? Is there any substance to your claims?
      - kcplate 4y ago
        I made no claims other than conversations I have had with conservatives that I know personally and am not arguing the merits of the policies for or against.
        roflyear 4y ago
        "I think the conservative opposition is more directed at how early the modern left wants to introduce the concept to children"
        kcplate 4y ago
        Do you really think that needed sources cited? Literally the most publicly prominent piece of legislation that was specifically passed by the GOP on this topic was in Florida last year with HB 1557. That legislation specifically created public education prohibitions about the topic with children aged 6 to 10 and had parental notification rights in it as well. The left opposed it vehemently and it was literally all over the news for months in the spring. Disney even fired a CEO over the fallout caused from his choice to publicly voice opposition to it. For what it’s worth, here is your source, if you can think of a more public piece of legislation than this that expands prohibitions for trans topics beyond children, post it. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...
        roflyear 4y ago
        Because the GOP passes a law prohibiting something doesn't mean that thing is happening. Does that make sense to you?

kcplate 4y ago

>They forbid the use of the terms gender identity among others Please cite the laws where this term is legally forbidden to be used. And please don’t give us examples where a government agency that might just use a different term, because that is not the same thing. Pleas give us so e specific laws where it’s use is overtly forbidden. > They also have restricted access to gender affirming healthcare even in the private sector You are making a blanket generalized statement here but how about you give us what “they” are actually restricting and what their argument as to why they are restricting it actually is and why that argument is wrong. Not knowing what specifics you are referring to, but my suspicion is the what is the use of puberty blockers and the who is young children. That would make your statement lack some important nuance. It’s also not necessarily an unusual or even controversial stance for conservatives to act conservatively in regards to supporting novel medical treatments on children. Especially treatments that are even polarizing within medical circles and can have a lifelong impact.

DoctorOW 4y ago
I included more than enough information for anyone with basic reading comprehension to be able to generate their own Google search terms. Laws are public record.
- kcplate 4y ago
  No offense but it’s lazy to just give partisan generic talking points and tell people to “go Google”. I think the conservative positions that are specific to trans and gender issues seem to center around children. At least from the conversations I have had with conservative friends on the topic that has been the concern they have. If that is not the case, provide something to prove me wrong. You do your argument a disservice if you cannot provide depth beyond generics.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    You have not given any sources in your comments, this person is just operating in the mode you set them up for. Where is the left pushing these policies on children? Is there any substance to your claims?
    - kcplate 4y ago
      I made no claims other than conversations I have had with conservatives that I know personally and am not arguing the merits of the policies for or against.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        "I think the conservative opposition is more directed at how early the modern left wants to introduce the concept to children"
        kcplate 4y ago
        Do you really think that needed sources cited? Literally the most publicly prominent piece of legislation that was specifically passed by the GOP on this topic was in Florida last year with HB 1557. That legislation specifically created public education prohibitions about the topic with children aged 6 to 10 and had parental notification rights in it as well. The left opposed it vehemently and it was literally all over the news for months in the spring. Disney even fired a CEO over the fallout caused from his choice to publicly voice opposition to it. For what it’s worth, here is your source, if you can think of a more public piece of legislation than this that expands prohibitions for trans topics beyond children, post it. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...
        roflyear 4y ago
        Because the GOP passes a law prohibiting something doesn't mean that thing is happening. Does that make sense to you?