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> It's not clear to me whether the EULA says that CI/CD is an example of "use that is explicitly invoked by an individual" I agree that it’s hard to interpret,

> It's not clear to me whether the EULA says that CI/CD is an example of "use that is explicitly invoked by an individual" I agree that it’s hard to interpret, but isn’t the whole point of CI/CD that developers don’t start builds explicitly? For example, your example doesn’t mention it. You push to a branch, then wait for the build to finish, but never explicitly start it. So, it seems they want to allow free use in CI/CD setups. Unfortunately, there are a lot of other ways to implicitly invoke the linker. Your typical IDE may already do that when you click “Run” instead of “Build”. I can easily see a lawyer argue that running make qualifies as explicit invocation, too.

midoridensha 4y ago
CI/CD setups are usually done on server farms, not on developer workstations. How many CI/CD setups are running on Macs? I'm guessing not many.
- joe_guy 4y ago
  Many things that target macOS and everything that targets iOS will have a CI running on macOS. For better or worse, iOS is not a niche target.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Interesting; they don't have a way to cross-compile? MacOS isn't really known for being a server OS...
    - joe_guy 4y ago
      No. And it's very intentional. You're not even legally allowed to run macOS VMs on non Apple hardware. What's far worse than macOS not being a server OS is the hardware you're forced to contend with. Apple makes no server hardware. You end up with a disgusting hodgepodge of vendors making offerings that are largely redundancy in the way of massive falovers of mac minis. It's very unfortunate and makes self hosting or specifically (hardware or otherwise) needs extremely difficult.
rav 4y ago
If we negate the wording in the EULA: > non-interactive use of the Software that is not explicitly invoked by an individual ...then we get "use of the Software that is interactive or explicitly invoked by an individual". I would say that running make to run sold to run/test/ship an executable, or clicking "Run" to invoke sold and test the app, or pushing a branch to run CI that runs sold to obtain an executable to run/test/ship, all easily should be considered to be AIU - after all, in all cases it's a person clicking a button (or typing a command), waiting for it to run, and then doing something with the result.

midoridensha 4y ago

CI/CD setups are usually done on server farms, not on developer workstations. How many CI/CD setups are running on Macs? I'm guessing not many.

joe_guy 4y ago
Many things that target macOS and everything that targets iOS will have a CI running on macOS. For better or worse, iOS is not a niche target.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Interesting; they don't have a way to cross-compile? MacOS isn't really known for being a server OS...
  - joe_guy 4y ago
    No. And it's very intentional. You're not even legally allowed to run macOS VMs on non Apple hardware. What's far worse than macOS not being a server OS is the hardware you're forced to contend with. Apple makes no server hardware. You end up with a disgusting hodgepodge of vendors making offerings that are largely redundancy in the way of massive falovers of mac minis. It's very unfortunate and makes self hosting or specifically (hardware or otherwise) needs extremely difficult.

rav 4y ago

If we negate the wording in the EULA: > non-interactive use of the Software that is not explicitly invoked by an individual ...then we get "use of the Software that is interactive or explicitly invoked by an individual". I would say that running make to run sold to run/test/ship an executable, or clicking "Run" to invoke sold and test the app, or pushing a branch to run CI that runs sold to obtain an executable to run/test/ship, all easily should be considered to be AIU - after all, in all cases it's a person clicking a button (or typing a command), waiting for it to run, and then doing something with the result.