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I'm hostage to Meta, my grandmother uses only Messenger to call and would/can not learn any other interface. The rest of the family only chat through Whatsapp.

I'm hostage to Meta, my grandmother uses only Messenger to call and would/can not learn any other interface. The rest of the family only chat through Whatsapp. Quitting Meta means not getting to be in those circles anymore.

liendolucas 4y ago
Yes, many people suffer from this problem as well. I guess I can say what I said because I cancelled my account many many years ago (if not mistaken more than a decade ago).
jamiek88 4y ago
I quit fb but WhatsApp is impossible to quit. I tried and I became socially isolated.
- Raed667 4y ago
  I can relate. But it seems Facebook becomes more necessary if your kid's football team only shares schedules in a group, or after-school clubs, etc.. Basically you're subject to the lowest common denominator.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  WhatsApp is infinitely better than Facebook though. I've never received a notification I wasn't interested in. Also, it has end-to-end encryption.
  - nrclark 4y ago
    Don’t count on that encryption. It’s a great marketing point that has no real way to verify or audit. And even assuming Whatsapp's end-to-end encryption works as advertised: that doesn’t mean that the app is free from backdoors. Message contents also aren't the only kind of data that Whatapp knows about. Facebook doesn't need message contents to monetize your communications. They almost certainly harvest Whatapp's metadata and tie it to everything else they know about you. If you like the service, that's great. Use it and enjoy. But don't assume that your communications are secure.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      Whether I like it or not, I have to use it because it's what everyone here uses. There is no point in having a perfect fully audited free software messenger if nobody uses it. I'm just glad that everyone is using something this secure by default. At this point I'm just counting my blessings. WhatsApp encryption is strong enough to defeat criminal investigations in my country. That has to count for something. They got so angry about it they blocked WhatsApp services for days and jailed Facebook people. https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2016/05/02/whatsapp-banned-brazil-for-72-hours/?sh=18c0ca8b2644 https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2016/05/02/whatsap...

liendolucas 4y ago

Yes, many people suffer from this problem as well. I guess I can say what I said because I cancelled my account many many years ago (if not mistaken more than a decade ago).

jamiek88 4y ago

I quit fb but WhatsApp is impossible to quit. I tried and I became socially isolated.

Raed667 4y ago
I can relate. But it seems Facebook becomes more necessary if your kid's football team only shares schedules in a group, or after-school clubs, etc.. Basically you're subject to the lowest common denominator.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
WhatsApp is infinitely better than Facebook though. I've never received a notification I wasn't interested in. Also, it has end-to-end encryption.
- nrclark 4y ago
  Don’t count on that encryption. It’s a great marketing point that has no real way to verify or audit. And even assuming Whatsapp's end-to-end encryption works as advertised: that doesn’t mean that the app is free from backdoors. Message contents also aren't the only kind of data that Whatapp knows about. Facebook doesn't need message contents to monetize your communications. They almost certainly harvest Whatapp's metadata and tie it to everything else they know about you. If you like the service, that's great. Use it and enjoy. But don't assume that your communications are secure.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Whether I like it or not, I have to use it because it's what everyone here uses. There is no point in having a perfect fully audited free software messenger if nobody uses it. I'm just glad that everyone is using something this secure by default. At this point I'm just counting my blessings. WhatsApp encryption is strong enough to defeat criminal investigations in my country. That has to count for something. They got so angry about it they blocked WhatsApp services for days and jailed Facebook people. https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2016/05/02/whatsapp-banned-brazil-for-72-hours/?sh=18c0ca8b2644 https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2016/05/02/whatsap...