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I had some left wing accelerationist friends and man was it frustrating trying to point out the problems with the perspective.
by wardedVibe 4y ago
I had some left wing accelerationist friends and man was it frustrating trying to point out the problems with the perspective.
- johnny22 4y agoi was open to buying into left related accelerationism until i remembered my history books. Power vacuums are rarely filled by who you want them to be filled by, and too many are hurt in the process.
- WalterBright 4y agoIt's nice to see someone reading history books. I despair at all the "new" ideas that have been endlessly tried already.
- johnny22 4y agoI just meant in in my high school history books and one world history class i took in community college. Other than that I wouldn't say I've really "read history books". I'm sure I've read about other events as I went through life though.
- msla 4y ago> Power vacuums are rarely filled by who you want them to be filled by, and too many are hurt in the process. I wish more people learned from history. Punch the Fascists? Well, the Left tried that in Weimar Germany, and it ended with the Fascists in charge. Have a Socialist Revolution? You end up with Lenin and Stalin, or Mao and Deng, or, for extra points, the Khmer Rouge, a regime so insane even their fellow Socialists in Vietnam invaded them to end their brutality; even if you insist none of those people were True, Honest Socialists, that's part of the point, isn't it? They're the people Socialist Revolution ended up putting into power. What is to be done? Maybe, just maybe, not something which puts the most violent out in front.
- another_story 4y agoThese are extremely simplistic takes on times that were the result of decades of power shifts and class struggles.
- mythrwy 4y agoWe won't have any of decades of power shifts and class struggles to contend with this time with the "glorious workers revolution"? Oh but we will. Those things always exist.
- another_story 4y agoWhat are you talking about? Did you make up a narrative of what my intentions with that post were and then attack it?
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- mythrwy 4y agoI was kind of wondering what you were talking about. On it's face it seems like justification for atrocities committed by Marxists for ideological purposes.
- msla 4y agoI get it: You think politics is for losers and you want to indulge your power fantasy.
- another_story 4y agoExcuse me?
- smadge 4y agoI think that’s a gross oversimplification of the history of political violence in Weimar Germany. Much of the Nazi’s rise to power in Weimar Germany came from their paramilitary forces, the SA and SS. The state was unable to control or suppress those forces. Most other political parties had their own paramilitary wing, including right wing parties besides the Nazis and left wing parties like the KPD and SPD. Left wing parties unilaterally standing down their paramilitary forces while other parties didn’t wouldn’t have prevented the Nazi rise to power.
- thisiswater 4y ago"Bonapartism" in the sense of popular movements being coopted by the powerful is a good place to start, for the curious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonapartism#Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonapartism#Marxism