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What exactly needs to be done with legislation? There should be a law to ensure you turn off the notifications on Facebook?

tayo42 4y ago
Ensure that we don't get pointless notifications that exist only to increase engagement and have these on by default. Take advantage of feelings of fomo. You ever actually go turn off notifications? They have obscure names and there's tons of them in some apps. I don't want to waste time and energy fighting back apps constantly. Healthy defaults to start with
- chazeon 4y ago
  The best bet you can get is something like App Store guideline rather than law, I think.
  - darzu 4y ago
    Why? It’s our government (in theory), no reason we shouldn’t make laws to the benefit of the people. When the private sector consistently refuses to self regulate bad behavior, the law can and should step in.
    - smolder 4y ago
      It should, but doesn't, when the private sector has bought the public sector.
  - xattt 4y ago
    Legislation that defers to regulations?
  - jakear 4y ago
    Eh. If the EU can make a law requiring every website to make me click through a popup regarding the types of strings my browser will put in the `Cookie` header, I think the US can make a law requiring every app to let me choose what types of notifications it sends me.
- fwungy 4y ago
  Even worse are the phantom notifications that don't come from an obvious application. No clue what's getting chimed about.
thinking4real 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
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darzu 4y ago
Ads via notifications should be regulated. For example, I have notifications enabled for Amazon because I need to know when a delivery is coming but they’ll use that channel to spam me about “deals”. There’s no reasonable way to disable all these ad-via-notifications.
- julianlam 4y ago
  Are you sure? I just checked my device, and while all notifications are toggled under a catch-all "notifications" category, I am able to customize this from within the app, and shipment notifications are their own category.
  - darzu 4y ago
    “Reasonable” is doing some heavy lifting, but i just spent another 10 minutes hunting through all the in-app settings menus I could find and I haven’t found a way to disable these alerts. They certainly don’t want you to disable deal notifications and make it very difficult to do so. It’s like the old quote about fire extinguishers: if you don’t know where one is, it doesn’t exist. If a reasonable effort cannot find the setting, it doesn’t exist.
    - julianlam 4y ago
      Hm, I'm sorry to hear you wasted your time. There was a shortcut directly to the in-app notification settings directly from the android app notification settings.
twodave 4y ago
There should be a basic right of people to control their own “attention” akin to posting a private property sign.

tayo42 4y ago

Ensure that we don't get pointless notifications that exist only to increase engagement and have these on by default. Take advantage of feelings of fomo. You ever actually go turn off notifications? They have obscure names and there's tons of them in some apps. I don't want to waste time and energy fighting back apps constantly. Healthy defaults to start with

chazeon 4y ago
The best bet you can get is something like App Store guideline rather than law, I think.
- darzu 4y ago
  Why? It’s our government (in theory), no reason we shouldn’t make laws to the benefit of the people. When the private sector consistently refuses to self regulate bad behavior, the law can and should step in.
  - smolder 4y ago
    It should, but doesn't, when the private sector has bought the public sector.
- xattt 4y ago
  Legislation that defers to regulations?
- jakear 4y ago
  Eh. If the EU can make a law requiring every website to make me click through a popup regarding the types of strings my browser will put in the `Cookie` header, I think the US can make a law requiring every app to let me choose what types of notifications it sends me.
fwungy 4y ago
Even worse are the phantom notifications that don't come from an obvious application. No clue what's getting chimed about.

thinking4real 4y ago

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dang 4y ago
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darzu 4y ago

Ads via notifications should be regulated. For example, I have notifications enabled for Amazon because I need to know when a delivery is coming but they’ll use that channel to spam me about “deals”. There’s no reasonable way to disable all these ad-via-notifications.

julianlam 4y ago
Are you sure? I just checked my device, and while all notifications are toggled under a catch-all "notifications" category, I am able to customize this from within the app, and shipment notifications are their own category.
- darzu 4y ago
  “Reasonable” is doing some heavy lifting, but i just spent another 10 minutes hunting through all the in-app settings menus I could find and I haven’t found a way to disable these alerts. They certainly don’t want you to disable deal notifications and make it very difficult to do so. It’s like the old quote about fire extinguishers: if you don’t know where one is, it doesn’t exist. If a reasonable effort cannot find the setting, it doesn’t exist.
  - julianlam 4y ago
    Hm, I'm sorry to hear you wasted your time. There was a shortcut directly to the in-app notification settings directly from the android app notification settings.

twodave 4y ago

There should be a basic right of people to control their own “attention” akin to posting a private property sign.