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For a user's satisfactory, I really think any notification should be opt-in instead of opt-out for anything other than direct message. Facebook's blue app is o

For a user's satisfactory, I really think any notification should be opt-in instead of opt-out for anything other than direct message. Facebook's blue app is one of the first apps I had to turned off the notification entirely. If I really care about some one who just upload a photo I will go into your app to take a look. These notifications are now just baits for the ads.

tayo42 4y ago
It's so bad I think this needs to be done with legislation. I wish I could write laws.
- kaashif 4y ago
  What exactly needs to be done with legislation? There should be a law to ensure you turn off the notifications on Facebook?
  - tayo42 4y ago
    Ensure that we don't get pointless notifications that exist only to increase engagement and have these on by default. Take advantage of feelings of fomo. You ever actually go turn off notifications? They have obscure names and there's tons of them in some apps. I don't want to waste time and energy fighting back apps constantly. Healthy defaults to start with
    - chazeon 4y ago
      The best bet you can get is something like App Store guideline rather than law, I think.
      - darzu 4y ago
        Why? It’s our government (in theory), no reason we shouldn’t make laws to the benefit of the people. When the private sector consistently refuses to self regulate bad behavior, the law can and should step in.
        smolder 4y ago
        It should, but doesn't, when the private sector has bought the public sector.
      - xattt 4y ago
        Legislation that defers to regulations?
      - jakear 4y ago
        Eh. If the EU can make a law requiring every website to make me click through a popup regarding the types of strings my browser will put in the `Cookie` header, I think the US can make a law requiring every app to let me choose what types of notifications it sends me.
    - fwungy 4y ago
      Even worse are the phantom notifications that don't come from an obvious application. No clue what's getting chimed about.
  - thinking4real 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - dang 4y ago
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  - darzu 4y ago
    Ads via notifications should be regulated. For example, I have notifications enabled for Amazon because I need to know when a delivery is coming but they’ll use that channel to spam me about “deals”. There’s no reasonable way to disable all these ad-via-notifications.
    - julianlam 4y ago
      Are you sure? I just checked my device, and while all notifications are toggled under a catch-all "notifications" category, I am able to customize this from within the app, and shipment notifications are their own category.
      - darzu 4y ago
        “Reasonable” is doing some heavy lifting, but i just spent another 10 minutes hunting through all the in-app settings menus I could find and I haven’t found a way to disable these alerts. They certainly don’t want you to disable deal notifications and make it very difficult to do so. It’s like the old quote about fire extinguishers: if you don’t know where one is, it doesn’t exist. If a reasonable effort cannot find the setting, it doesn’t exist.
        julianlam 4y ago
        Hm, I'm sorry to hear you wasted your time. There was a shortcut directly to the in-app notification settings directly from the android app notification settings.
  - twodave 4y ago
    There should be a basic right of people to control their own “attention” akin to posting a private property sign.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  All notifications on iOS are opt in now. The problem is already solved.
  - tayo42 4y ago
    Isn't this just like browser." This app wants to send notifications?" I'm saying irrelevant stuff like recommendations should never be sent. If I click yes to the above question I should only get relevant notifications.
jabart 4y ago
Our datacenter's network maintenance notifications were opt-in. Guess who called in because a BGP session was down and didn't know, this user. They switched all new account owners to opt-out for future notifications.

tayo42 4y ago

It's so bad I think this needs to be done with legislation. I wish I could write laws.

kaashif 4y ago
What exactly needs to be done with legislation? There should be a law to ensure you turn off the notifications on Facebook?
- tayo42 4y ago
  Ensure that we don't get pointless notifications that exist only to increase engagement and have these on by default. Take advantage of feelings of fomo. You ever actually go turn off notifications? They have obscure names and there's tons of them in some apps. I don't want to waste time and energy fighting back apps constantly. Healthy defaults to start with
  - chazeon 4y ago
    The best bet you can get is something like App Store guideline rather than law, I think.
    - darzu 4y ago
      Why? It’s our government (in theory), no reason we shouldn’t make laws to the benefit of the people. When the private sector consistently refuses to self regulate bad behavior, the law can and should step in.
      - smolder 4y ago
        It should, but doesn't, when the private sector has bought the public sector.
    - xattt 4y ago
      Legislation that defers to regulations?
    - jakear 4y ago
      Eh. If the EU can make a law requiring every website to make me click through a popup regarding the types of strings my browser will put in the `Cookie` header, I think the US can make a law requiring every app to let me choose what types of notifications it sends me.
  - fwungy 4y ago
    Even worse are the phantom notifications that don't come from an obvious application. No clue what's getting chimed about.
- thinking4real 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - dang 4y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly posting unsubstantive and flamebait comments. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- darzu 4y ago
  Ads via notifications should be regulated. For example, I have notifications enabled for Amazon because I need to know when a delivery is coming but they’ll use that channel to spam me about “deals”. There’s no reasonable way to disable all these ad-via-notifications.
  - julianlam 4y ago
    Are you sure? I just checked my device, and while all notifications are toggled under a catch-all "notifications" category, I am able to customize this from within the app, and shipment notifications are their own category.
    - darzu 4y ago
      “Reasonable” is doing some heavy lifting, but i just spent another 10 minutes hunting through all the in-app settings menus I could find and I haven’t found a way to disable these alerts. They certainly don’t want you to disable deal notifications and make it very difficult to do so. It’s like the old quote about fire extinguishers: if you don’t know where one is, it doesn’t exist. If a reasonable effort cannot find the setting, it doesn’t exist.
      - julianlam 4y ago
        Hm, I'm sorry to hear you wasted your time. There was a shortcut directly to the in-app notification settings directly from the android app notification settings.
- twodave 4y ago
  There should be a basic right of people to control their own “attention” akin to posting a private property sign.
Gigachad 4y ago
All notifications on iOS are opt in now. The problem is already solved.
- tayo42 4y ago
  Isn't this just like browser." This app wants to send notifications?" I'm saying irrelevant stuff like recommendations should never be sent. If I click yes to the above question I should only get relevant notifications.

jabart 4y ago

Our datacenter's network maintenance notifications were opt-in. Guess who called in because a BGP session was down and didn't know, this user. They switched all new account owners to opt-out for future notifications.