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For context, search "accelerationism" - here is one point-of-view: https://www.fpri.org/article/2020/04/the-growing-threat-posed-by-accelerationism-and-accelera
by dmckeon 4y ago
For context, search "accelerationism" - here is one point-of-view:
https://www.fpri.org/article/2020/04/the-growing-threat-posed-by-accelerationism-and-accelerationist-groups-worldwide/ https://www.fpri.org/article/2020/04/the-growing-threat-pose...
- msla 4y agoAccelerationists implicitly believe they'll survive whatever happens on the way to their envisioned Paradise, and are willing to sacrifice others to get to whatever end state they have in mind. It's fundamentally a belief of privileged, insulated people who don't care about those less fortunate than themselves.
- wardedVibe 4y agoI had some left wing accelerationist friends and man was it frustrating trying to point out the problems with the perspective.
- johnny22 4y agoi was open to buying into left related accelerationism until i remembered my history books. Power vacuums are rarely filled by who you want them to be filled by, and too many are hurt in the process.
- WalterBright 4y agoIt's nice to see someone reading history books. I despair at all the "new" ideas that have been endlessly tried already.
- johnny22 4y agoI just meant in in my high school history books and one world history class i took in community college. Other than that I wouldn't say I've really "read history books". I'm sure I've read about other events as I went through life though.
- msla 4y ago> Power vacuums are rarely filled by who you want them to be filled by, and too many are hurt in the process. I wish more people learned from history. Punch the Fascists? Well, the Left tried that in Weimar Germany, and it ended with the Fascists in charge. Have a Socialist Revolution? You end up with Lenin and Stalin, or Mao and Deng, or, for extra points, the Khmer Rouge, a regime so insane even their fellow Socialists in Vietnam invaded them to end their brutality; even if you insist none of those people were True, Honest Socialists, that's part of the point, isn't it? They're the people Socialist Revolution ended up putting into power. What is to be done? Maybe, just maybe, not something which puts the most violent out in front.
- another_story 4y agoThese are extremely simplistic takes on times that were the result of decades of power shifts and class struggles.
- mythrwy 4y agoWe won't have any of decades of power shifts and class struggles to contend with this time with the "glorious workers revolution"? Oh but we will. Those things always exist.
- another_story 4y agoWhat are you talking about? Did you make up a narrative of what my intentions with that post were and then attack it?
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- mythrwy 4y agoI was kind of wondering what you were talking about. On it's face it seems like justification for atrocities committed by Marxists for ideological purposes.
- thisiswater 4y ago"Bonapartism" in the sense of popular movements being coopted by the powerful is a good place to start, for the curious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonapartism#Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonapartism#Marxism
- brutusborn 4y agoIs there any evidence that this has anything to do with accelerationism?
- _-david-_ 4y agoNo
- kelseyfrog 4y agoWhile I'm glad that accelerationism is being discussed, this description does a poor job at laying out the map of the ideological territory. The thing it inadvertently does is confuse accelerationism with right-wing accelerationism. > Accelerationism is the most inherently violent and dangerous ideology circulating in the global white supremacist extremist movement. This for example is not untrue, but it omits the basics necessary to understand the broader context. Accelerationism is a practical strategy able to be incorporated into any ideology. While right-wing accelerationism seeks to foment civil breakdown that results in a white ethno state, left wing accelerationism seeks to let the breaks off if capitalism in the hope that it will self implode and the resulting devestattion can be harnessed to bring about a communist utopia. Between and around these lie myriad other accelerationist tendencies each with its own version of what will happen after the status quo self-annihilates. My point is that leaving out all of this is a huge omission and we haven't even gotten to Nick Land and the CCRU yet!
- Analemma_ 4y agoThere's an important lesson to be learned here, in that the intricacies and subdivisions of your fandom only matter to you, and nobody else cares. Just like metalheads insist on profound differences between thrash and doom that no non-metalheads will ever notice, nobody cares about the differences between left- and right-accelerationsism when the practical effect-- destroying civilization and all its comforts, probably killing millions and leaving us in a miserable hard-scabble existence-- is the same.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoI'm not sure we know HN the same way. The HN audience I know generally enjoys peering into subcultures and understanding the intricacies of their conceptualizations from the inside. I can't think of an audience more aligned with picking apart subtle distinctions than this one.
- aqme28 4y agoWithout any evidence that ties accelerationism to this, this isn't adding context. It's just a distraction.
- squarefoot 4y agoWhy use the term accelerationism when sociopathy would describe those people even better? It's a dangerous disease, not just a mild difference in opinions.