> It's also funny that scientists are often quick to criticize non-experts for weighing in on their area of expertise, but seem comfortable claiming authoritati

> It's also funny that scientists are often quick to criticize non-experts for weighing in on their area of expertise, but seem comfortable claiming authoritative knowledge of the historical facts and ethical arguments in this case, while ignoring the judgment of actual historians. These people are reprobates, regardless of whether they're scientists or not; being an erudite person sadly doesn't come with principles out of the box. I realise you didn't mean scientists as a group, btw. I just think we need a politically neutral term for these people. Whether crazy woke or crazy alt-right, these people have a neurosis that manages to poison any discussion, and we need to deplatform the idiotic reprobates ASAP, on both sides of these discussions. All they do is "infuriate" the other side, and this just ends up in both sides being pushed deeper towards extremes/absolutes. Also comments like "I don't care about the X canon/agenda" just means they don't care about the issue at all IMO. So what do they care about? Fuck knows. Maybe they're communal narcissist. Maybe they can't make a name for themselves so they go for contemporary low hanging fruit, it just happens to be the diversity issue currently (in the past this was witch trials). I think this is anything that fits into the category of heresy, and there's a lot of that going around[1]. I'm unsure if supporting reprobates makes you a reprobate by association. That might be a slippery slope, though, as certainly vulnerable people will try and cling to any support they can get (as a queer person, I find that understandable, and I also probably fit that category's before realising the mutual and raging bullshit flinging around theses discussions). Anyway, I've kinda muddied my own points (by having too many probably), so this turned out a of an unintentional gishgallop. I just care about the issues discussed here, and wish people took them more seriously by taking them less personally. [1]: http://www.paulgraham.com/heresy.html http://www.paulgraham.com/heresy.html