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> I never understood why does the bicycle crowd feel the need to push everyone else to ride bicycles? Driving a car in a urban area is great for the driver but

> I never understood why does the bicycle crowd feel the need to push everyone else to ride bicycles? Driving a car in a urban area is great for the driver but pretty terrible for everyone else: - Congestion - Air pollution - Noise pollution - Space taken up by parking - Danger of being run over It doesn't really matter if you walk, cycle or get public transport. These have much lower externalities. > I personally do not feel safe on a bike in a crowded city. Even if you took cars out of the equation This is a shame because the cars (and other motor traffic) are in fact the main danger. Retirees and children cycle everywhere in NL because it feels safe enough for them to do so.

JimBlackwood 4y ago
Is driving in an urban area really great for the driver? Genuine question, btw. Everytime I’ve driven in EU capitals, I’ve been more frustrated than ever while driving. In every scenario walking, cycling or a tube would’ve felt more pleasant and quicker. Traffic light after traffic light, constant congestion. What a mess. 20 minutes for a few kilometers.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  Depends a bit on the city, where in the city, etc. Once you go outside of the inner city things usually tend to be better, but not always. Capitals are probably worse than average. "Tube" implies London and London is definitely worse than average. When I lived in Bristol (England), it wasn't so bad for the most part (not that I had a car). Some smaller cities can still be pretty bad though; e.g. inner city traffic in Cork (Ireland) is just horrible. I was quite a bit faster cycling to the city centre from work than some coworkers were with cars, especially if you take parking in to account.
- nicbou 4y ago
  It usually isn't. I have a car, a motorcycle, a bike and a public transit pass. I almost never use the first two unless I'm heading outwards, and even then. Driving might be faster, but with traffic and parking it's unpredictable. Public transit lets you see read on the way. Cycling gets you exercise and a usually entertaining ride.

JimBlackwood 4y ago

Is driving in an urban area really great for the driver? Genuine question, btw. Everytime I’ve driven in EU capitals, I’ve been more frustrated than ever while driving. In every scenario walking, cycling or a tube would’ve felt more pleasant and quicker. Traffic light after traffic light, constant congestion. What a mess. 20 minutes for a few kilometers.

Beltalowda 4y ago
Depends a bit on the city, where in the city, etc. Once you go outside of the inner city things usually tend to be better, but not always. Capitals are probably worse than average. "Tube" implies London and London is definitely worse than average. When I lived in Bristol (England), it wasn't so bad for the most part (not that I had a car). Some smaller cities can still be pretty bad though; e.g. inner city traffic in Cork (Ireland) is just horrible. I was quite a bit faster cycling to the city centre from work than some coworkers were with cars, especially if you take parking in to account.
nicbou 4y ago
It usually isn't. I have a car, a motorcycle, a bike and a public transit pass. I almost never use the first two unless I'm heading outwards, and even then. Driving might be faster, but with traffic and parking it's unpredictable. Public transit lets you see read on the way. Cycling gets you exercise and a usually entertaining ride.