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As someone with an EV that is charged primarily with a level 1 charger and is currently experiencing temps below -20C, that is simply not true. Please don't pa

As someone with an EV that is charged primarily with a level 1 charger and is currently experiencing temps below -20C, that is simply not true. Please don't parrot lies pushed by the fossil fuel industry. I've seen far too many people on this site that have clearly never been within 100 feet of an EV repeating obviously wrong "information".

phpisthebest 4y ago
Let me guess, garage kept? There are plenty of first person accounts on YT, Twitter, and other social media where people report being unable to charge their EV because the energy needed to keep the battery warmed exceeds the available power for charging Please stop blaming everything on some kind of conspiracy by the evil oil industry, you sound like qAnon when you do that.
- gaganyaan 4y ago
  No, it's an outside regular 110V outlet. This bad behavior is well-documented. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_deni... Please stop trying to dispute facts. If you're going to argue, you should at least attempt to not be ignorant of the basic relevant facts.
  - aaomidi 4y ago
    You’re getting like 1.3-1.5 kWh with that charger. Assuming an 90% efficiency on charging (~1.2kwh). You wouldn’t be able to really do half of the average American daily commute (20 miles) and use your heating system to bring the car up from -5 C to 20 C. Your car is likely going to be using 400-450 wh per mile until it’s warmed up and maybe down to 320 wh per mile for the rest of the trip. That’s ~10 kWh for your one day commute. Now this is assuming basically a lot of perfect conditions for winter time driving. Also it’s assuming no traffic, because once you add waiting in traffic while heating up the interior of the car the power use skyrockets. Also this is assuming you’re even able to hit 90% charging efficiency on 110V which honestly I’ve never seen personally.
    - gaganyaan 4y ago
      I'm not really sure what to tell you. Empirically, I plug the car in when I get home, and that charges it well enough that I never worry about range except long distance trips. The car says I averaged around 30 kWh/100km on the trip that I took today on the highway, though it's also warmed up today all the way to -11C. Units are metric even though I'm in the U.S. because imperial units are silly. It helps that I've got a 62 kWh Leaf, so I've got lots of range to start with.
      - aaomidi 4y ago
        How long is your commute though and are these low temps normal? I get about 3-4 “miles” of charge per hour with 110v and honestly that’s barely enough.
        gaganyaan 4y ago
        I WFH, so no commute. These temps are pretty normal for winter where I am. I don't know what your situation is, but you'll honestly probably have good luck with just finding a regular outlet somewhere at work and trickle charging. I've done several vacations where I just asked where an outlet was, and left the car to charge up to 100% for the return trip. It's a lovely trick that gas cars can't duplicate.
        aaomidi 4y ago
        I’m fortunately WFH as well but installing a 240V outlet wasn’t too bad. This is one of the things non North Americans don’t have to worry about.

phpisthebest 4y ago

Let me guess, garage kept? There are plenty of first person accounts on YT, Twitter, and other social media where people report being unable to charge their EV because the energy needed to keep the battery warmed exceeds the available power for charging Please stop blaming everything on some kind of conspiracy by the evil oil industry, you sound like qAnon when you do that.

gaganyaan 4y ago
No, it's an outside regular 110V outlet. This bad behavior is well-documented. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_deni... Please stop trying to dispute facts. If you're going to argue, you should at least attempt to not be ignorant of the basic relevant facts.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  You’re getting like 1.3-1.5 kWh with that charger. Assuming an 90% efficiency on charging (~1.2kwh). You wouldn’t be able to really do half of the average American daily commute (20 miles) and use your heating system to bring the car up from -5 C to 20 C. Your car is likely going to be using 400-450 wh per mile until it’s warmed up and maybe down to 320 wh per mile for the rest of the trip. That’s ~10 kWh for your one day commute. Now this is assuming basically a lot of perfect conditions for winter time driving. Also it’s assuming no traffic, because once you add waiting in traffic while heating up the interior of the car the power use skyrockets. Also this is assuming you’re even able to hit 90% charging efficiency on 110V which honestly I’ve never seen personally.
  - gaganyaan 4y ago
    I'm not really sure what to tell you. Empirically, I plug the car in when I get home, and that charges it well enough that I never worry about range except long distance trips. The car says I averaged around 30 kWh/100km on the trip that I took today on the highway, though it's also warmed up today all the way to -11C. Units are metric even though I'm in the U.S. because imperial units are silly. It helps that I've got a 62 kWh Leaf, so I've got lots of range to start with.
    - aaomidi 4y ago
      How long is your commute though and are these low temps normal? I get about 3-4 “miles” of charge per hour with 110v and honestly that’s barely enough.
      - gaganyaan 4y ago
        I WFH, so no commute. These temps are pretty normal for winter where I am. I don't know what your situation is, but you'll honestly probably have good luck with just finding a regular outlet somewhere at work and trickle charging. I've done several vacations where I just asked where an outlet was, and left the car to charge up to 100% for the return trip. It's a lovely trick that gas cars can't duplicate.
        aaomidi 4y ago
        I’m fortunately WFH as well but installing a 240V outlet wasn’t too bad. This is one of the things non North Americans don’t have to worry about.