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The European Medicines Agency did a risk calculation with various transmission levels and segmented by age: https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/chmp-annex/annex

by blub 4y ago

The European Medicines Agency did a risk calculation with various transmission levels and segmented by age: https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/chmp-annex/annex-vaxzevria-art53-visual-risk-contextualisation_en.pdf https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/chmp-annex/annex-vaxzevr... As can be seen, getting infected is actually not that bad compared to getting the AZ vaccine. In younger age groups the vaccine became hard to recommend contrary to what many claimed and continue to claim on social media. You also obviously haven’t read case reports for the people that got the blood clots and survived, if you’re only considering deaths as an undesirable outcome. They will have to adjust to significant sequelae for the rest of their lives.

jefftk 4y ago
> As can be seen, getting infected is actually not that bad compared to getting the AZ vaccine. The analysis that your link is missing a comparison between the harm of getting hospitalized with covid and the harm of a case of blood clots. Without that severity comparison, while it does show that for all age groups hospitalization is many times more likely than clots it's hard to make a judgment either way. > You also obviously haven’t read case reports for the people that got the blood clots and survived, if you’re only considering deaths as an undesirable outcome. But you also need to count the people who got covid and survived with serious long-term symptoms, no?
- blub 4y ago
  I think most people would agree that getting hospitalized beats brain surgery. The only comparable Covid outcome is the ICU and that’s very rare for people below 40. It probably makes sense to get a vaccine for younger people, just not the awful AZ. And many countries agree, having switched to mRNA. What they didn’t do yet is admit that they were pushing the AZ crap much harder than was called for and apologize for screwing up vaccine procurement.

by blub 4y ago

jefftk 4y ago

> As can be seen, getting infected is actually not that bad compared to getting the AZ vaccine. The analysis that your link is missing a comparison between the harm of getting hospitalized with covid and the harm of a case of blood clots. Without that severity comparison, while it does show that for all age groups hospitalization is many times more likely than clots it's hard to make a judgment either way. > You also obviously haven’t read case reports for the people that got the blood clots and survived, if you’re only considering deaths as an undesirable outcome. But you also need to count the people who got covid and survived with serious long-term symptoms, no?

blub 4y ago
I think most people would agree that getting hospitalized beats brain surgery. The only comparable Covid outcome is the ICU and that’s very rare for people below 40. It probably makes sense to get a vaccine for younger people, just not the awful AZ. And many countries agree, having switched to mRNA. What they didn’t do yet is admit that they were pushing the AZ crap much harder than was called for and apologize for screwing up vaccine procurement.