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By these standards we shouldn't celebrate the NASA moon landings because the people who did this in the late 50's and 60's were mostly white men of which a good

By these standards we shouldn't celebrate the NASA moon landings because the people who did this in the late 50's and 60's were mostly white men of which a good percentage were racist homophobes. I remember in the Navy there was a hushed rumor that one of our officers had been dismissed because he was caught wearing a dress. There were no women in the Navy and a black officer was a rarity. You'd better not be gay, because that was a dishonorable discharge. The thing about institutionalized discrimination is that you kind of have to go along with it if you want to have a career and then slowly try to change it, which is difficult, but half a century later we have. That is rightly be celebrated along with the Moon landings.

tshaddox 4y ago
Those things you mentioned are indeed not worth celebrating. And you can still celebrate major historical achievements and not name new things after certain people.
- naasking 4y ago
  > Those things you mentioned are indeed not worth celebrating Landing on the moon is not worth celebrating? Wow.
  - 1659447091 4y ago
    I am pretty sure they were talking about the discrimination aspects that should not be celebrated, as they referred to the OP's "By these standards". Then adds "can still celebrate major historical achievements". So no, I do not believe they were saying we should not celebrate the moon landing, instead we should probably not make personal heroes out of people that may not have had great character that may have been a part of those great efforts.
    - naasking 4y ago
      > I am pretty sure they were talking about the discrimination aspects that should not be celebrated Except no one is arguing that we should be celebrating discrimination. The original poster said, "By these standards we shouldn't celebrate the NASA moon landings because [NASA probably had racists back then]". He's not suggesting we should celebrate racism, he's suggesting we should celebrate the moon landings and acknowledge those who achieved it despite the racism. The person I replied to literally said, unqualified, that those things are not worth celebrating. Since the only thing the original post suggested we celebrate is the moon landing, the conclusion is obvious.
      - tshaddox 4y ago
        Yes, my point is precisely that you can celebrate one thing (moon landings) without celebrating other things (all those bad things the commenter listed that were closely associated with the moon landings).
        naasking 4y ago
        The only people disputing your point are those who are trying to get the Webb telescope renamed.
  - tshaddox 4y ago
    I was talking about the stuff after “By these standards we shouldn't celebrate the NASA moon landings because.”
- geenew 4y ago
  If Webb's crime is working in a homophobic system without actively fighting against it, then all people working at NASA* during the moon landings should not have things named after them. Nor, presumably, should they be held up as examples to follow. * with, possibly, a few exceptions
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tshaddox 4y ago

Those things you mentioned are indeed not worth celebrating. And you can still celebrate major historical achievements and not name new things after certain people.

naasking 4y ago
> Those things you mentioned are indeed not worth celebrating Landing on the moon is not worth celebrating? Wow.
- 1659447091 4y ago
  I am pretty sure they were talking about the discrimination aspects that should not be celebrated, as they referred to the OP's "By these standards". Then adds "can still celebrate major historical achievements". So no, I do not believe they were saying we should not celebrate the moon landing, instead we should probably not make personal heroes out of people that may not have had great character that may have been a part of those great efforts.
  - naasking 4y ago
    > I am pretty sure they were talking about the discrimination aspects that should not be celebrated Except no one is arguing that we should be celebrating discrimination. The original poster said, "By these standards we shouldn't celebrate the NASA moon landings because [NASA probably had racists back then]". He's not suggesting we should celebrate racism, he's suggesting we should celebrate the moon landings and acknowledge those who achieved it despite the racism. The person I replied to literally said, unqualified, that those things are not worth celebrating. Since the only thing the original post suggested we celebrate is the moon landing, the conclusion is obvious.
    - tshaddox 4y ago
      Yes, my point is precisely that you can celebrate one thing (moon landings) without celebrating other things (all those bad things the commenter listed that were closely associated with the moon landings).
      - naasking 4y ago
        The only people disputing your point are those who are trying to get the Webb telescope renamed.
- tshaddox 4y ago
  I was talking about the stuff after “By these standards we shouldn't celebrate the NASA moon landings because.”
geenew 4y ago
If Webb's crime is working in a homophobic system without actively fighting against it, then all people working at NASA* during the moon landings should not have things named after them. Nor, presumably, should they be held up as examples to follow. * with, possibly, a few exceptions
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