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How do you compare Fall of Civilizations to Hardcore History? Big fan of hardcore history (listened to all of the multi-part series several times), but never h

How do you compare Fall of Civilizations to Hardcore History? Big fan of hardcore history (listened to all of the multi-part series several times), but never heard of Fall of Civilizations.

kranke155 4y ago
Pretty sure r/AskHistorians considers Hardcore History to be really innacurate. BBC’s In Our Time podcast is a far superior counterpart, where academics from leading universities discuss a chose topic. It’s well moderated and beautifully informative.
- flappyeagle 4y ago
  Thank you for this! Exactly what I needed
- meheleventyone 4y ago
  Yeah I'd second In Our Time, it's a long running Radio show and covers culture, science, religion, philosophy and history. Really great nuggets on loads of topics. Plus they provide a full reading list for each show.
- TotoHorner 4y ago
  source?
  - bennysonething 4y ago
    It's on Spotify. And on BBC sounds. And I think it's on iTunes. You might just be able to download it for free too. It used to be available like that years ago.
    - TotoHorner 4y ago
      Nah I meant kranke155's claim that AskHistorians says Hardcore History is inaccurate. That's not true. However, I would agree that Hardcore History leans more towards the entertainment side, so while the overall picture is inline with what historians say (Cyrus the Great as a leader vs Darius or the effects of the Gracchi brothers), the specific stories that Dan Carlin says may have other interpretations or other versions. Obviously, it would interrupt the flow to say "Oh but XYZ disagrees and says this specific story actually happened 5 years earlier", so Dan prefaces it by saying that it's one interpretation. Saying that "AskHistorians thinks Hardcore History is really innacurate" is completely false.
      - kranke155 4y ago
        Maybe I got this wrong but my feeling is they don’t like it over there. I’d have to check on why exactly.
      - opo 4y ago
        A couple of years ago, there was a discussion thread in AskHistorians of "How do you feel about Dan Carlin, accuracy-wise?": https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k6jyx7/how_do_you_feel_about_dan_carlin_accuracywise/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k6jyx7/how_d... >...Saying that "AskHistorians thinks Hardcore History is really innacurate" is completely false. I think the overall opinion is quite a bit more nuanced than that and in general historians appreciate anyone who helps get people more interested in history. Though, in terms of accuracy, as one commenter wrote: >...Not only doesn't Carlin do sufficient research with the appropriate sources, but he tends to approach his episodes with an endpoint in mind, and then focuses on ensuring his research fits that narrative rather than building a narrative from the research.
- yoaviram 4y ago
  I love hard core history, but I recently discovered The Rest is History and it takes the number one spot for me.

How do you compare Fall of Civilizations to Hardcore History? Big fan of hardcore history (listened to all of the multi-part series several times), but never heard of Fall of Civilizations.

kranke155 4y ago

Pretty sure r/AskHistorians considers Hardcore History to be really innacurate. BBC’s In Our Time podcast is a far superior counterpart, where academics from leading universities discuss a chose topic. It’s well moderated and beautifully informative.

flappyeagle 4y ago
Thank you for this! Exactly what I needed
meheleventyone 4y ago
Yeah I'd second In Our Time, it's a long running Radio show and covers culture, science, religion, philosophy and history. Really great nuggets on loads of topics. Plus they provide a full reading list for each show.
TotoHorner 4y ago
source?
- bennysonething 4y ago
  It's on Spotify. And on BBC sounds. And I think it's on iTunes. You might just be able to download it for free too. It used to be available like that years ago.
  - TotoHorner 4y ago
    Nah I meant kranke155's claim that AskHistorians says Hardcore History is inaccurate. That's not true. However, I would agree that Hardcore History leans more towards the entertainment side, so while the overall picture is inline with what historians say (Cyrus the Great as a leader vs Darius or the effects of the Gracchi brothers), the specific stories that Dan Carlin says may have other interpretations or other versions. Obviously, it would interrupt the flow to say "Oh but XYZ disagrees and says this specific story actually happened 5 years earlier", so Dan prefaces it by saying that it's one interpretation. Saying that "AskHistorians thinks Hardcore History is really innacurate" is completely false.
    - kranke155 4y ago
      Maybe I got this wrong but my feeling is they don’t like it over there. I’d have to check on why exactly.
    - opo 4y ago
      A couple of years ago, there was a discussion thread in AskHistorians of "How do you feel about Dan Carlin, accuracy-wise?": https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k6jyx7/how_do_you_feel_about_dan_carlin_accuracywise/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k6jyx7/how_d... >...Saying that "AskHistorians thinks Hardcore History is really innacurate" is completely false. I think the overall opinion is quite a bit more nuanced than that and in general historians appreciate anyone who helps get people more interested in history. Though, in terms of accuracy, as one commenter wrote: >...Not only doesn't Carlin do sufficient research with the appropriate sources, but he tends to approach his episodes with an endpoint in mind, and then focuses on ensuring his research fits that narrative rather than building a narrative from the research.
yoaviram 4y ago
I love hard core history, but I recently discovered The Rest is History and it takes the number one spot for me.