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> I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I disagree. Or, at least wher

by c-fe 4y ago

> I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I disagree. Or, at least where I live (densely populated europe), nearly everyone with their own house has at lease one (small) fireplace with some wood stored outside, typically enough for at least a month (otherwhise, do you go shopping wood every week?). Food-wise I agree that 8 days may touch the limits of food supply for families, but I know plenty people that have pasta / rice in stock for days. And this is in Europe without any wilderness. I cant believe that more rural americans are less equiped than this altough maybe I am wrong.

LinuxBender 4y ago
That is my take as well. Everyone around me keeps at least 1 cord of wood [1] or more. It can get cold here and people are expected to be self sufficient. The less fortunate people instead of buying wood will get a permit from the state to chop wood from a specified area but then they have to haul/cut/dry/season the wood themselves usually borrowing a neighbors trailer. People here are friendly and share tools. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_(unit) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_(unit)
- barney54 4y ago
  People who live on Indian Reservations are frequently really, really poor and likely couldn’t afford to stock up with that much wood beforehand.
  - LinuxBender 4y ago
    You've given me something to go do. I've never visited the reservation near me. [1] If they are unaware of the wood cutting permits [2] I will show them. [1] - https://windriver.org/destinations/wind-river-indian-reservation/ https://windriver.org/destinations/wind-river-indian-reserva... [2] - https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbr/passes-permits/forestproducts/?cid=stelprdb5151691 https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbr/passes-permits/forestprod...
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      Consider reaching out to your local congressional reps to get some appropriation done where reservation folks are contacted to inform them of their right to the resources and automatically provide the wood cutting permits if done for personal/tribal use. Happy to provide assistance.
      - LinuxBender 4y ago
        I will first reach out to the reservation to learn more about it before I jump to any conclusions. I prefer to speak to the people that live in an area. It may turn out they have everything they need. But I will keep your offer in mind if it turns out things are in a bad state of affairs.
    - boomboomsubban 4y ago
      It looks like the Wind River reservation is quite some distance from the Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest, I don't think ignorance of the permits is their problem.
      - LinuxBender 4y ago
        There are other areas to cut wood. They don't list all of them. The local forestry office may be able to provide closer locations. For example, there is a designated area just a few miles from me but it is not listed on any of the forestry websites. I listed that page to show the permitting process, restrictions and costs. As toomuchtodo pointed out, it may even be free in their case.
        boomboomsubban 4y ago
        There's a good chance that few of those areas are on the reservation, which often were picked to be the worst land in the region. So many still may not live within a convenient distance of an area for wood. Plus, even if they do live near a forest, I'm not sure if the Forest Service would have jurisdiction. It's possible the tribe has the rights, or the BIA handles it.
kzrdude 4y ago
Whereabouts is this? Fireplaces are really not common in new developments (Sweden), but I'm not fond of new development houses anyway. It's a shame for a country with a tradition of beautiful and efficient wood fireplaces like these: https://www.land.se/hus-hem/skaffa-kakelugn-tips-och-rad-du-behover/ https://www.land.se/hus-hem/skaffa-kakelugn-tips-och-rad-du-...
- c-fe 4y ago
  Luxembourg
bratbag 4y ago
You can't believe something that is happening?
lazyasciiart 4y ago
Enough for a month of what? Small decorative fires part of the day, or fires large enough to heat the house and cook food on 24/7? The fireplaces I’m familiar with would never heat the entire house, no matter how much wood you had outside.
- trillic 4y ago
  You don't need to heat an entire house to stay alive. Just enough so the people sitting next to the fire don't die of hypothermia
  - lazyasciiart 4y ago
    Sure. So enough wood to keep that room warm 12 hours a day for a month suddenly became enough wood to keep that room warm 24 hours a day for two weeks. The family that happened to put in a months supply two weeks before the storm started only had enough for one week of full time fires, and that ran out days ago. (The suburban european houses with a fireplace I know are more likely to burn it a few hours each day, which makes their month of wood worth only a few days of full reliance).
- SyzygistSix 4y ago
  In Pittsburgh after the blizzard, we all slept in the family/living room where the fireplace was, in sleeping bags. I think power was out for a week to 10 days?
- alar44 4y ago
  You don't need large fires to heat a home. All wood burning furnaces I've used are smaller than a cubic meter.

by c-fe 4y ago

LinuxBender 4y ago

That is my take as well. Everyone around me keeps at least 1 cord of wood [1] or more. It can get cold here and people are expected to be self sufficient. The less fortunate people instead of buying wood will get a permit from the state to chop wood from a specified area but then they have to haul/cut/dry/season the wood themselves usually borrowing a neighbors trailer. People here are friendly and share tools. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_(unit) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_(unit)

barney54 4y ago
People who live on Indian Reservations are frequently really, really poor and likely couldn’t afford to stock up with that much wood beforehand.
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  You've given me something to go do. I've never visited the reservation near me. [1] If they are unaware of the wood cutting permits [2] I will show them. [1] - https://windriver.org/destinations/wind-river-indian-reservation/ https://windriver.org/destinations/wind-river-indian-reserva... [2] - https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbr/passes-permits/forestproducts/?cid=stelprdb5151691 https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbr/passes-permits/forestprod...
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    Consider reaching out to your local congressional reps to get some appropriation done where reservation folks are contacted to inform them of their right to the resources and automatically provide the wood cutting permits if done for personal/tribal use. Happy to provide assistance.
    - LinuxBender 4y ago
      I will first reach out to the reservation to learn more about it before I jump to any conclusions. I prefer to speak to the people that live in an area. It may turn out they have everything they need. But I will keep your offer in mind if it turns out things are in a bad state of affairs.
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    It looks like the Wind River reservation is quite some distance from the Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest, I don't think ignorance of the permits is their problem.
    - LinuxBender 4y ago
      There are other areas to cut wood. They don't list all of them. The local forestry office may be able to provide closer locations. For example, there is a designated area just a few miles from me but it is not listed on any of the forestry websites. I listed that page to show the permitting process, restrictions and costs. As toomuchtodo pointed out, it may even be free in their case.
      - boomboomsubban 4y ago
        There's a good chance that few of those areas are on the reservation, which often were picked to be the worst land in the region. So many still may not live within a convenient distance of an area for wood. Plus, even if they do live near a forest, I'm not sure if the Forest Service would have jurisdiction. It's possible the tribe has the rights, or the BIA handles it.

kzrdude 4y ago

Whereabouts is this? Fireplaces are really not common in new developments (Sweden), but I'm not fond of new development houses anyway. It's a shame for a country with a tradition of beautiful and efficient wood fireplaces like these: https://www.land.se/hus-hem/skaffa-kakelugn-tips-och-rad-du-behover/ https://www.land.se/hus-hem/skaffa-kakelugn-tips-och-rad-du-...

c-fe 4y ago
Luxembourg

bratbag 4y ago

You can't believe something that is happening?

lazyasciiart 4y ago

Enough for a month of what? Small decorative fires part of the day, or fires large enough to heat the house and cook food on 24/7? The fireplaces I’m familiar with would never heat the entire house, no matter how much wood you had outside.

trillic 4y ago
You don't need to heat an entire house to stay alive. Just enough so the people sitting next to the fire don't die of hypothermia
- lazyasciiart 4y ago
  Sure. So enough wood to keep that room warm 12 hours a day for a month suddenly became enough wood to keep that room warm 24 hours a day for two weeks. The family that happened to put in a months supply two weeks before the storm started only had enough for one week of full time fires, and that ran out days ago. (The suburban european houses with a fireplace I know are more likely to burn it a few hours each day, which makes their month of wood worth only a few days of full reliance).
SyzygistSix 4y ago
In Pittsburgh after the blizzard, we all slept in the family/living room where the fireplace was, in sleeping bags. I think power was out for a week to 10 days?
alar44 4y ago
You don't need large fires to heat a home. All wood burning furnaces I've used are smaller than a cubic meter.