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What is so complicated about installing plugs in parking garages? It doesn’t need to be level 2, even 110v would probably be fine for a lot of people. And since

What is so complicated about installing plugs in parking garages? It doesn’t need to be level 2, even 110v would probably be fine for a lot of people. And since we’re probably talking about cities, power draw probably isn’t a concern. My apartment in Brooklyn had plugs 3 years ago

salawat 4y ago
Mmmm. Think for a sec. Large concrete structure right? So you can't lay your wire in the concrete parts, which means you're putting it in conduits...that are exposed, and open to be harvested by people looking to repurpose the copper wiring for other things. Or you're doing inductive charging via copper loops in parking spaces, but then maintenance is potentially impacted. Point being "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Level 1 chargers do not work well in the winter, in cold climates
- gaganyaan 4y ago
  As someone with an EV that is charged primarily with a level 1 charger and is currently experiencing temps below -20C, that is simply not true. Please don't parrot lies pushed by the fossil fuel industry. I've seen far too many people on this site that have clearly never been within 100 feet of an EV repeating obviously wrong "information".
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    Let me guess, garage kept? There are plenty of first person accounts on YT, Twitter, and other social media where people report being unable to charge their EV because the energy needed to keep the battery warmed exceeds the available power for charging Please stop blaming everything on some kind of conspiracy by the evil oil industry, you sound like qAnon when you do that.
    - gaganyaan 4y ago
      No, it's an outside regular 110V outlet. This bad behavior is well-documented. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_deni... Please stop trying to dispute facts. If you're going to argue, you should at least attempt to not be ignorant of the basic relevant facts.
      - aaomidi 4y ago
        You’re getting like 1.3-1.5 kWh with that charger. Assuming an 90% efficiency on charging (~1.2kwh). You wouldn’t be able to really do half of the average American daily commute (20 miles) and use your heating system to bring the car up from -5 C to 20 C. Your car is likely going to be using 400-450 wh per mile until it’s warmed up and maybe down to 320 wh per mile for the rest of the trip. That’s ~10 kWh for your one day commute. Now this is assuming basically a lot of perfect conditions for winter time driving. Also it’s assuming no traffic, because once you add waiting in traffic while heating up the interior of the car the power use skyrockets. Also this is assuming you’re even able to hit 90% charging efficiency on 110V which honestly I’ve never seen personally.
        gaganyaan 4y ago
        I'm not really sure what to tell you. Empirically, I plug the car in when I get home, and that charges it well enough that I never worry about range except long distance trips. The car says I averaged around 30 kWh/100km on the trip that I took today on the highway, though it's also warmed up today all the way to -11C. Units are metric even though I'm in the U.S. because imperial units are silly. It helps that I've got a 62 kWh Leaf, so I've got lots of range to start with.
        aaomidi 4y ago
        How long is your commute though and are these low temps normal? I get about 3-4 “miles” of charge per hour with 110v and honestly that’s barely enough.
- jjjules 4y ago
  That only happens around -20C, which is when most IC cars start to struggle too. It’s like every EV caveat is some gotcha that means we shouldn’t adopt, when IC cars have many of the same issues that we accept without really thinking about it.
notacoward 4y ago
> What is so complicated about installing plugs in parking garages? Nothing is technically complicated about it, but a great many landlords are unwilling to incur even the tiniest expense. Have you never seen an apartment with inadequate insulation? With leaky plumbing? I've seen plenty, even when it was the landlords themselves who ended up bearing a cost greater than simple improvement would have incurred. Sometimes it's a liquidity issue, sometimes it's "boiling frog" syndrome or pure laziness, but no matter the reasons it's reality. > My apartment in Brooklyn had plugs 3 years ago How nice for you. Are all of your experiences universal?

salawat 4y ago

Mmmm. Think for a sec. Large concrete structure right? So you can't lay your wire in the concrete parts, which means you're putting it in conduits...that are exposed, and open to be harvested by people looking to repurpose the copper wiring for other things. Or you're doing inductive charging via copper loops in parking spaces, but then maintenance is potentially impacted. Point being "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

phpisthebest 4y ago

Level 1 chargers do not work well in the winter, in cold climates

gaganyaan 4y ago
As someone with an EV that is charged primarily with a level 1 charger and is currently experiencing temps below -20C, that is simply not true. Please don't parrot lies pushed by the fossil fuel industry. I've seen far too many people on this site that have clearly never been within 100 feet of an EV repeating obviously wrong "information".
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Let me guess, garage kept? There are plenty of first person accounts on YT, Twitter, and other social media where people report being unable to charge their EV because the energy needed to keep the battery warmed exceeds the available power for charging Please stop blaming everything on some kind of conspiracy by the evil oil industry, you sound like qAnon when you do that.
  - gaganyaan 4y ago
    No, it's an outside regular 110V outlet. This bad behavior is well-documented. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_deni... Please stop trying to dispute facts. If you're going to argue, you should at least attempt to not be ignorant of the basic relevant facts.
    - aaomidi 4y ago
      You’re getting like 1.3-1.5 kWh with that charger. Assuming an 90% efficiency on charging (~1.2kwh). You wouldn’t be able to really do half of the average American daily commute (20 miles) and use your heating system to bring the car up from -5 C to 20 C. Your car is likely going to be using 400-450 wh per mile until it’s warmed up and maybe down to 320 wh per mile for the rest of the trip. That’s ~10 kWh for your one day commute. Now this is assuming basically a lot of perfect conditions for winter time driving. Also it’s assuming no traffic, because once you add waiting in traffic while heating up the interior of the car the power use skyrockets. Also this is assuming you’re even able to hit 90% charging efficiency on 110V which honestly I’ve never seen personally.
      - gaganyaan 4y ago
        I'm not really sure what to tell you. Empirically, I plug the car in when I get home, and that charges it well enough that I never worry about range except long distance trips. The car says I averaged around 30 kWh/100km on the trip that I took today on the highway, though it's also warmed up today all the way to -11C. Units are metric even though I'm in the U.S. because imperial units are silly. It helps that I've got a 62 kWh Leaf, so I've got lots of range to start with.
        aaomidi 4y ago
        How long is your commute though and are these low temps normal? I get about 3-4 “miles” of charge per hour with 110v and honestly that’s barely enough.
jjjules 4y ago
That only happens around -20C, which is when most IC cars start to struggle too. It’s like every EV caveat is some gotcha that means we shouldn’t adopt, when IC cars have many of the same issues that we accept without really thinking about it.

notacoward 4y ago

> What is so complicated about installing plugs in parking garages? Nothing is technically complicated about it, but a great many landlords are unwilling to incur even the tiniest expense. Have you never seen an apartment with inadequate insulation? With leaky plumbing? I've seen plenty, even when it was the landlords themselves who ended up bearing a cost greater than simple improvement would have incurred. Sometimes it's a liquidity issue, sometimes it's "boiling frog" syndrome or pure laziness, but no matter the reasons it's reality. > My apartment in Brooklyn had plugs 3 years ago How nice for you. Are all of your experiences universal?