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There are no EV downsides? EV cars are awful in snow and hanging out at the charger station gets old fast.

belltaco 4y ago
>hanging out at the charger station gets old fast On the other hand, a lot of people can charge an EV at home, but you cannot fill gas at home.
- rascul 4y ago
  You can. You'll need a tank and a pump and a company that will deliver. It's more commonly done (that I've seen) with diesel for farms, but I've come across people who do it for gasoline also. From what I understand, they can get a better price per gallon. I'm sure there's some laws and regulations around it but it is certainly feasible. At least in the USA.
gaganyaan 4y ago
Why would you try to spread obvious lies like this? Have you ever actually tried driving an EV in snow? I literally just got home from driving my EV around in the snow and it handled great. I also rarely charge anywhere other than a regular 110V line at home, no need for hanging out at any charger station. Please stop spreading misinformation.
browningstreet 4y ago
I live in Tahoe, I charge at home using a regular plug. I road trip pretty regularly. It’s not an issue at all.
kibwen 4y ago
This is a straw man. Nobody's claiming EVs don't have downsides. However, the downside of fossil fuels is that they're destroying our biosphere, and the downside of hydrogen is that it's physically infeasible. By all means, forego a car entirely and ride a bike if you can get away with it.
- homeland221 4y ago
  Majority of consumers dont really care fossil fuel destroying the biosphere. They care only affordability. The vast majority car purchases are non-EV...and maybe at best hybrid. Currently EVs sales have stagnant and Tesla had to subsidized it partially via 7K credit and free charge. I dont see as a way going forward unless Tesla type of car can drop to under 10K in 2nd hand market and motorshop repair able to service it. Toyota still outsell and outvolume Tesla by several fold and still growing with recalls near miniscule unlike how many times Tesla doing recalls this year alone.
  - status200 4y ago
    Biosphere destruction is not something that can be ignored forever, prioritizing consumer's preferences is not a feasible strategy. Eventually all the finance talk will be replaced with practical environmental strategy, even if it means some of the middle class is inconvenienced.
svnt 4y ago
Why are they awful in the snow? They are heavier and easier to make AWD than ICE cars. You mean because the temperature limits the range? Battery warmers are already solving that. Hanging out at the charger station pre-smartphones would have been a challenge. I don’t see the challenge now. It may require a little adjustment to existing behavior patterns.
- linsomniac 4y ago
  Yeah, I call BS on "they are awful in the snow". I live in Colorado, and have spent 40 years driving Subarus and Audi Quattros. My Tesla Model S is at least as capable in the snow as those. I attribute much of that to having two independent motors so it doesn't have to play any tricks with center differentials or torsen availability. Though I will admit that my B6 Audi S4 with Blizzaks and traction control off was a lot of fun in the snow.
- fomine3 4y ago
  heavier isn't perfectly good thing. One of another reason is that heating on ICE is free while on EV is expensive
- timbit42 4y ago
  They probably meant they are awful in cold weather because the cabin heater uses up 20% to 33% of the battery capacity. Newer EVs have swapped out resistive heaters for heat pumps, which helps a lot.

>hanging out at the charger station gets old fast On the other hand, a lot of people can charge an EV at home, but you cannot fill gas at home.

rascul 4y ago
You can. You'll need a tank and a pump and a company that will deliver. It's more commonly done (that I've seen) with diesel for farms, but I've come across people who do it for gasoline also. From what I understand, they can get a better price per gallon. I'm sure there's some laws and regulations around it but it is certainly feasible. At least in the USA.

gaganyaan 4y ago

Why would you try to spread obvious lies like this? Have you ever actually tried driving an EV in snow? I literally just got home from driving my EV around in the snow and it handled great. I also rarely charge anywhere other than a regular 110V line at home, no need for hanging out at any charger station. Please stop spreading misinformation.

browningstreet 4y ago

I live in Tahoe, I charge at home using a regular plug. I road trip pretty regularly. It’s not an issue at all.

kibwen 4y ago

This is a straw man. Nobody's claiming EVs don't have downsides. However, the downside of fossil fuels is that they're destroying our biosphere, and the downside of hydrogen is that it's physically infeasible. By all means, forego a car entirely and ride a bike if you can get away with it.

homeland221 4y ago
Majority of consumers dont really care fossil fuel destroying the biosphere. They care only affordability. The vast majority car purchases are non-EV...and maybe at best hybrid. Currently EVs sales have stagnant and Tesla had to subsidized it partially via 7K credit and free charge. I dont see as a way going forward unless Tesla type of car can drop to under 10K in 2nd hand market and motorshop repair able to service it. Toyota still outsell and outvolume Tesla by several fold and still growing with recalls near miniscule unlike how many times Tesla doing recalls this year alone.
- status200 4y ago
  Biosphere destruction is not something that can be ignored forever, prioritizing consumer's preferences is not a feasible strategy. Eventually all the finance talk will be replaced with practical environmental strategy, even if it means some of the middle class is inconvenienced.

svnt 4y ago

Why are they awful in the snow? They are heavier and easier to make AWD than ICE cars. You mean because the temperature limits the range? Battery warmers are already solving that. Hanging out at the charger station pre-smartphones would have been a challenge. I don’t see the challenge now. It may require a little adjustment to existing behavior patterns.

linsomniac 4y ago
Yeah, I call BS on "they are awful in the snow". I live in Colorado, and have spent 40 years driving Subarus and Audi Quattros. My Tesla Model S is at least as capable in the snow as those. I attribute much of that to having two independent motors so it doesn't have to play any tricks with center differentials or torsen availability. Though I will admit that my B6 Audi S4 with Blizzaks and traction control off was a lot of fun in the snow.
fomine3 4y ago
heavier isn't perfectly good thing. One of another reason is that heating on ICE is free while on EV is expensive
timbit42 4y ago
They probably meant they are awful in cold weather because the cabin heater uses up 20% to 33% of the battery capacity. Newer EVs have swapped out resistive heaters for heat pumps, which helps a lot.