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I live in such an apartment and this is such FUD. Everyone is getting by just fine with level 1 chargers. Almost no one drives so much they actually need level

by bragr 4y ago

I live in such an apartment and this is such FUD. Everyone is getting by just fine with level 1 chargers. Almost no one drives so much they actually need level 2, and in a pinch there are public charging stations.

notacoward 4y ago
> Everyone ... Almost no one ... sigh People presenting their personal, and often anomalous, experience as some sort of universal rule is the absolute worst HN habit. You took a statement about two categories of people for whom L1 is not enough, stripped one off, and only addressed the other with an untrue statement (clearly messing up on the difference between L2 and L3 in the process BTW). Are you that sure there isn't one person who's not getting by fine with level 1? That's all it takes for your statement to be false, and in fact statistics show there are many, making your excluded-middle pseudo-argument a bit pathetic. Let me introduce you to the concept of thresholds. It's not necessary for everyone to need more than L1 regularly for lack of same to be a problem, nor did I claim that. There is simply some percentage of people being "left out in the cold" because of a bad ratio between vehicles and chargers, and we're already hovering right around that level. Availability of charging is already a major limiting factor in adoption, which wouldn't be the case if anything you said were generally true. The reason I know this is that I own an EV myself. The ad hominems elsewhere in this thread about discouraging EV usage made me laugh. I'm personally doing fine because I own my own home and had my own dedicated 240V circuit put in for charging, but I know many people for whom that's not the case. I'm well aware of things like how cold or speed affects range, or the actual availability of L3 chargers. I want EVs to succeed, and (unlike some here) I'm actually putting my money where my mouth is. When you see someone claim that working unoccupied public chargers are plentiful, there's always a good chance you're dealing with someone who doesn't even own an EV (the most common case), hardly drives it at all, or works at a FAANG where free charging is a perk. None of those are the real world of most EV drivers.
- bragr 4y ago
  Hi, seems you miss interpreted "everyone" in my post to mean "everyone in the world" when in my context I used to to mean "everyone with electrics cars in my apartment building". You seem to me engaging in the absolute worst HN habit of not assuming good faith and jumping to conclusions. ;)
  - notacoward 4y ago
    So it was meant as anecdata, but that's sufficient to accuse me of FUD for sharing a different (statistically more common) experience? Not buying it. I think there was sufficient reason to interpret your comment the way I did. Why didn't you assume good faith on my part? Don't use that as a shield after you've denied it to others.

by bragr 4y ago

notacoward 4y ago

> Everyone ... Almost no one ... sigh People presenting their personal, and often anomalous, experience as some sort of universal rule is the absolute worst HN habit. You took a statement about two categories of people for whom L1 is not enough, stripped one off, and only addressed the other with an untrue statement (clearly messing up on the difference between L2 and L3 in the process BTW). Are you that sure there isn't one person who's not getting by fine with level 1? That's all it takes for your statement to be false, and in fact statistics show there are many, making your excluded-middle pseudo-argument a bit pathetic. Let me introduce you to the concept of thresholds. It's not necessary for everyone to need more than L1 regularly for lack of same to be a problem, nor did I claim that. There is simply some percentage of people being "left out in the cold" because of a bad ratio between vehicles and chargers, and we're already hovering right around that level. Availability of charging is already a major limiting factor in adoption, which wouldn't be the case if anything you said were generally true. The reason I know this is that I own an EV myself. The ad hominems elsewhere in this thread about discouraging EV usage made me laugh. I'm personally doing fine because I own my own home and had my own dedicated 240V circuit put in for charging, but I know many people for whom that's not the case. I'm well aware of things like how cold or speed affects range, or the actual availability of L3 chargers. I want EVs to succeed, and (unlike some here) I'm actually putting my money where my mouth is. When you see someone claim that working unoccupied public chargers are plentiful, there's always a good chance you're dealing with someone who doesn't even own an EV (the most common case), hardly drives it at all, or works at a FAANG where free charging is a perk. None of those are the real world of most EV drivers.

bragr 4y ago
Hi, seems you miss interpreted "everyone" in my post to mean "everyone in the world" when in my context I used to to mean "everyone with electrics cars in my apartment building". You seem to me engaging in the absolute worst HN habit of not assuming good faith and jumping to conclusions. ;)
- notacoward 4y ago
  So it was meant as anecdata, but that's sufficient to accuse me of FUD for sharing a different (statistically more common) experience? Not buying it. I think there was sufficient reason to interpret your comment the way I did. Why didn't you assume good faith on my part? Don't use that as a shield after you've denied it to others.