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I too was disappointed with "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." My first struggle with the movie is that it breaks the first rule of a good mystery story in t

I too was disappointed with "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." My first struggle with the movie is that it breaks the first rule of a good mystery story in that you need the audience to have enough information that they can plausibly solve the crime themselves. Glass Onion only provides information when it becomes relevant to move the plot along. You could have never known certain things, you could have never even guessed at them because the information did not exist right up until it was needed in the story.This happens repeatedly. Midway through there is a plot twist that you could have never guessed or seen coming and that pretty much ends any sense of suspense or intrigue. I also don't care about any of the people in the story as people or characters nor do I find any of their relationships convincing. It seems implausible that any of them would have ever been friends. Close your eyes and imagine these people hanging out at a bar together and you can't. How did they interact? What was their friendship like? You never see it and so the weight of the strain of the existing relationship isn't ever fully felt. The characters in a "Knives Out" were caricatures too, but they were family, not friends. Everyone knows that strain. Everyone can relate to that relationship dynamic. You don't get to choose family. Friends tend to match each other to some extent. Give them some kind of connection. They are all trivia nerds and were a trivia team. Anything. With all that said, I want to rewatch "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." I want to see how much was visible in scene. How much could I have technically figured out. It is an interesting movie, I am just not sure it is a very good one.

ghaff 4y ago
That's a good description. I didn't like it as much as the original but, like you, I actually want to rewatch it now to better appreciate the whole thing. Certainly it's not a bad movie. I'm just not sure it really hangs together at the end of the day.
dctoedt 4y ago
I thought it was more a send-up of mysteries, in roughly the same vein as 1980's Airplane! (including the celebrity cameos).
- ghaff 4y ago
  Airplane! was a complete spoof of a then popular genre from beginning to end. Glass Onion isn't really like that but it does play around with some detective movie tropes.
Hamuko 4y ago
>the first rule of a good mystery story in that you need the audience to have enough information that they can plausibly solve the crime themselves I feel like I disliked Murder on the Orient Express more for that exact rule. But I do feel like Glass Onion does in fact deliver to some degree in that aspect. In the first part of the movie when you're lead to believe that it's about the murder of Miles, they do establish motives in order to have the viewers thinking of who it could be. And after the mid-twist that the focus shifts to the true murder mystery, there is a profound lack of good hints because it's not any one of the fingered suspects. If you watch the movie and think to yourself "Who would benefit the most from this murder?", all fingers point at the true suspect. My biggest problem with the Glass Onion is the peashooter gun.
matthewdgreen 4y ago
From the very beginning you should have been asking how Benoit received the box. There were only a few people who could have given it to him, and one was shown destroying hers beyond repair.
- etempleton 4y ago
  I did and in fact I guessed correctly, but it was just a guess. I still couldn’t have really know why or to what end. And it didn’t help me anticipate the plot twist.

ghaff 4y ago

That's a good description. I didn't like it as much as the original but, like you, I actually want to rewatch it now to better appreciate the whole thing. Certainly it's not a bad movie. I'm just not sure it really hangs together at the end of the day.

dctoedt 4y ago

I thought it was more a send-up of mysteries, in roughly the same vein as 1980's Airplane! (including the celebrity cameos).

ghaff 4y ago
Airplane! was a complete spoof of a then popular genre from beginning to end. Glass Onion isn't really like that but it does play around with some detective movie tropes.

Hamuko 4y ago

>the first rule of a good mystery story in that you need the audience to have enough information that they can plausibly solve the crime themselves I feel like I disliked Murder on the Orient Express more for that exact rule. But I do feel like Glass Onion does in fact deliver to some degree in that aspect. In the first part of the movie when you're lead to believe that it's about the murder of Miles, they do establish motives in order to have the viewers thinking of who it could be. And after the mid-twist that the focus shifts to the true murder mystery, there is a profound lack of good hints because it's not any one of the fingered suspects. If you watch the movie and think to yourself "Who would benefit the most from this murder?", all fingers point at the true suspect. My biggest problem with the Glass Onion is the peashooter gun.

matthewdgreen 4y ago

From the very beginning you should have been asking how Benoit received the box. There were only a few people who could have given it to him, and one was shown destroying hers beyond repair.

etempleton 4y ago
I did and in fact I guessed correctly, but it was just a guess. I still couldn’t have really know why or to what end. And it didn’t help me anticipate the plot twist.