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The film wasn't perfect but these complaints are not very compelling to me. The cheat of "what you thought you saw wasn't what you saw" is kind of a lazy cheat

The film wasn't perfect but these complaints are not very compelling to me. The cheat of "what you thought you saw wasn't what you saw" is kind of a lazy cheat but it is very common in detective and heist films. The point about whether the sister who journaled everything wouldn't have journaled about creating the software is a good one and the conceit of the twin being able to fool the friends is also a good point but is also a tried and true cliche.

musingsole 4y ago
> The point about whether the sister who journaled everything wouldn't have journaled about creating the software Where does it say she didn't journal about the software? And - imagining said entry - even if you could prove the date the entry was written, it's still just hearsay against the testimony of 4 others.
browningstreet 4y ago
When JM showed up in the island, Miles should’ve had a reaction to her presence. The cheat is worsened when the movie doesn’t ever tell us how he reacted, even after the fact. IMO it qualifies as a giant plot hole.
- morelisp 4y ago
  > When JM showed up in the island, Miles should’ve had a reaction to her presence. The shot lingers on literally the same facial expression when she arrives on the island as when he first sees her again after he shoots her.
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  - browningstreet 4y ago
    I should’ve been more clear. He may have reacted in his face, but it’s never addressed, even in a private moment. Given the potential realm of implications to her presence, he just… carried on. Same as he planned. And I’d argue her presence, plus the addition of an investigator… can’t reasonably be ignored, or dismissed. Which, in the story, it seems to have been.
    - morelisp 4y ago
      Given that our PoV character are Blanc and Brand, when would we have seen any substantial reaction? To what end? (Bron doesn't want the other people there to think he killed her, who would he even talk to?) "Why isn't he playing 5D chess?" has the same answer in the movie as it often does in the real world: He's actually just not that smart. This becomes especially clear after his reaction to Blanc pointing out he's basically set himself up to get murdered by any one of them.
      - browningstreet 4y ago
        Well, having as the point of your mystery that the main antagonist being dumb is putting the dunk ahead of the audience, but as a metaphorical response: if you’re throwing a drug fueled rager and your mom shows up with a cop, it’s definitely not the time to snort another line.

musingsole 4y ago

> The point about whether the sister who journaled everything wouldn't have journaled about creating the software Where does it say she didn't journal about the software? And - imagining said entry - even if you could prove the date the entry was written, it's still just hearsay against the testimony of 4 others.

browningstreet 4y ago

When JM showed up in the island, Miles should’ve had a reaction to her presence. The cheat is worsened when the movie doesn’t ever tell us how he reacted, even after the fact. IMO it qualifies as a giant plot hole.

morelisp 4y ago
> When JM showed up in the island, Miles should’ve had a reaction to her presence. The shot lingers on literally the same facial expression when she arrives on the island as when he first sees her again after he shoots her.
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- browningstreet 4y ago
  I should’ve been more clear. He may have reacted in his face, but it’s never addressed, even in a private moment. Given the potential realm of implications to her presence, he just… carried on. Same as he planned. And I’d argue her presence, plus the addition of an investigator… can’t reasonably be ignored, or dismissed. Which, in the story, it seems to have been.
  - morelisp 4y ago
    Given that our PoV character are Blanc and Brand, when would we have seen any substantial reaction? To what end? (Bron doesn't want the other people there to think he killed her, who would he even talk to?) "Why isn't he playing 5D chess?" has the same answer in the movie as it often does in the real world: He's actually just not that smart. This becomes especially clear after his reaction to Blanc pointing out he's basically set himself up to get murdered by any one of them.
    - browningstreet 4y ago
      Well, having as the point of your mystery that the main antagonist being dumb is putting the dunk ahead of the audience, but as a metaphorical response: if you’re throwing a drug fueled rager and your mom shows up with a cop, it’s definitely not the time to snort another line.