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So this is exactly the perspective I’m looking for from HN. If my post (which clearly wasn’t for or against the linked material) was not immediately flagged an

So this is exactly the perspective I’m looking for from HN. If my post (which clearly wasn’t for or against the linked material) was not immediately flagged and killed then it would’ve been possible to actually solicit this kind of perspective. But if my post is immediately killed then I never get to see this kind of insight. Hence my question about whether there’s a better model than simply flagging content, as HN currently works.

theCrowing 4y ago
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- whythre 4y ago
  I am trying not to read this with hostile intent, but seriously, why discuss or ask anything if the OP could just be told to do the mental legwork themselves? Sometimes outside perspective is helpful.
  - theCrowing 4y ago
    I perceive the lack of basic research or education on a subject as a sign of hostile intent especially when an individual creates a thread and expresses their views vehemently without proper knowledge or understanding. It's not even a topic (HN moderation) that is hard to research, he just didn't. It's also a repeating pattern he did the same with his initial submission and afterwards with this thread. 1-2 hours after he submitted the thread, he pivoted to his UX argument which makes even less sense because that's fundamentally his problem he needs to understand the site he is on, and he didn't even know about the "showdead" switch in the profile view. Which means in close to 4 years he didn't read the FAQ. How can you advocate for change if you don't even understand the system that is in place and without doing even the most basic research yourself?
- mactavish88 4y ago
  Who said you had to do the work? If this was a topic that was somehow discussed previously, should there not be some kind of mechanism to indicate this in the flagging process? (Ideally automated)
  - theCrowing 4y ago
    Clintel was even in the news cycle a few years ago and you submit it without even googling it before? You impute that I have a particular stance on climate change, but I honestly believe you have because no person without an agenda would play naive like you. I myself just hate misinformation and people that share and play victim when nobody engages with it.
    - mactavish88 4y ago
      I get literally nothing from the news search in DuckDuckGo when I search for “clintel” It still seems you assume I have a particular agenda here beyond wanting to have a conversation on the topic.
      - theCrowing 4y ago
        Now you also play blind... so, you pretend that you didn't see the articles linked below before you pressed the "news" button? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clintel&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clintel&t=h_&ia=web First Page Results: https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clintel/ https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clint... https://insideclimatenews.org/todaysclimate/experts-debunk-viral-post-claiming-1100-scientists-say-theres-no-climate-emergency/ https://insideclimatenews.org/todaysclimate/experts-debunk-v... https://www.thequint.com/climate-change/1200-scientists-claim-that-climate-change-is-not-real-heres-the-truth https://www.thequint.com/climate-change/1200-scientists-clai... https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-scientists-relies-on-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-science/ https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-... https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-09-16/climate-science-deniers-planning-european-misinformation-campaign-leaked-documents-reveal/ https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-09-16/climate-scienc...
        Gunnerhead 4y ago
        Can you please not say things such as “you also play blind”? You’re being mean and snarky, completely violating HN guidelines. We can all benefit from kind and helpful interactions, that’s what makes this website great. “Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Edit out swipes.” [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

theCrowing 4y ago

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whythre 4y ago
I am trying not to read this with hostile intent, but seriously, why discuss or ask anything if the OP could just be told to do the mental legwork themselves? Sometimes outside perspective is helpful.
- theCrowing 4y ago
  I perceive the lack of basic research or education on a subject as a sign of hostile intent especially when an individual creates a thread and expresses their views vehemently without proper knowledge or understanding. It's not even a topic (HN moderation) that is hard to research, he just didn't. It's also a repeating pattern he did the same with his initial submission and afterwards with this thread. 1-2 hours after he submitted the thread, he pivoted to his UX argument which makes even less sense because that's fundamentally his problem he needs to understand the site he is on, and he didn't even know about the "showdead" switch in the profile view. Which means in close to 4 years he didn't read the FAQ. How can you advocate for change if you don't even understand the system that is in place and without doing even the most basic research yourself?
mactavish88 4y ago
Who said you had to do the work? If this was a topic that was somehow discussed previously, should there not be some kind of mechanism to indicate this in the flagging process? (Ideally automated)
- theCrowing 4y ago
  Clintel was even in the news cycle a few years ago and you submit it without even googling it before? You impute that I have a particular stance on climate change, but I honestly believe you have because no person without an agenda would play naive like you. I myself just hate misinformation and people that share and play victim when nobody engages with it.
  - mactavish88 4y ago
    I get literally nothing from the news search in DuckDuckGo when I search for “clintel” It still seems you assume I have a particular agenda here beyond wanting to have a conversation on the topic.
    - theCrowing 4y ago
      Now you also play blind... so, you pretend that you didn't see the articles linked below before you pressed the "news" button? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clintel&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clintel&t=h_&ia=web First Page Results: https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clintel/ https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clint... https://insideclimatenews.org/todaysclimate/experts-debunk-viral-post-claiming-1100-scientists-say-theres-no-climate-emergency/ https://insideclimatenews.org/todaysclimate/experts-debunk-v... https://www.thequint.com/climate-change/1200-scientists-claim-that-climate-change-is-not-real-heres-the-truth https://www.thequint.com/climate-change/1200-scientists-clai... https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-scientists-relies-on-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-science/ https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-... https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-09-16/climate-science-deniers-planning-european-misinformation-campaign-leaked-documents-reveal/ https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-09-16/climate-scienc...
      - Gunnerhead 4y ago
        Can you please not say things such as “you also play blind”? You’re being mean and snarky, completely violating HN guidelines. We can all benefit from kind and helpful interactions, that’s what makes this website great. “Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Edit out swipes.” [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html