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I dont think it's so much that the right likes them more. I think it's mainly that the non performative left can basically only really get noticed by appearing

by pydry 4y ago

I dont think it's so much that the right likes them more. I think it's mainly that the non performative left can basically only really get noticed by appearing on, say, PressTV or RT. They dont tend to own or control TV stations and the people who do control popular "left" media megaphones trend neoliberal and are overtly hostile towards them. Hence why there's no hike in the minimum wage or single payer healthcare still but you can pick your pronouns at work now :/

DoctorOW 4y ago
I think your example inadvertently proves why there is no left representation in America at all. Picking pronouns isn't some policy that was signed into law, it's just that the far right wants to make it illegal. The difference lies in the political figures touted as "left" in America have no left leaning policies, just watered down versions of the American right's agenda.
- pydry 4y ago
  Getting the working class to fight over performative wedge issues to divide and disempower them is entirely deliberate. That is, until Russian bots grab $500,000 of Facebook ads and a crowbar and join in the fun.
  - DoctorOW 4y ago
    Ideally the growing resentment against capitalism and push for strong unions takes off even further. Blaming whatever minority is at best a band-aid on the gaping holes in the ruling class's narrative.
- sixQuarks 4y ago
  The right does not want to make the picking of pronouns illegal. Where did you get that? Nobody cares what annyone identifies as. The right’s position is that you are free to identify however you wish, but you still have to abide by certain things based on your biological birth when it directly affects other people. Right or wrong, don’t create a straw man.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    I have a large conservative circle. That isn't their stance. They do not want trans people to exist at all.
    - sixQuarks 4y ago
      What do you mean by they don't want trans people to exist at all? Same way trans people do not want conservatives to exist at all, or something more sinister? Because I have many conservative friends and they may not agree with different life choices, but that doesn't mean they won't tolerate it. If you have a circle of people who want to eradicate trans people, I would not label them as conservatives first, they are psychopaths and I would not let them in my circle.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        Thanks for asking me to clarify. I mean it in the literal sense: they want a world without trans people. I'm not interested really in getting into my subjective views on the harm I believe that leads to, but Ill answer and say no, I don't believe very many people want direct violence against trans people. I don't know if you can group trans people into a political category where you can say they all don't want conservatives to exist??? I literally know trans conservatives who voted for trump (you'd not be able to tell they are trans).
      - rented_mule 4y ago
        > they may not agree with different life choices I don't know what you intended, but phrasing it that way is a literal denial of the existence of trans people. Transitioning is a realization of who the person has always been, not a "life choice" to suddenly be someone different. Denying the existence of something and not wanting something to exist are not exactly the same thing, but there is a lot of overlap. Again, I don't know what you intended, but many people pointedly use the word "choice" around this topic. Your phrase would be more accurate if it said "they may not agree with different life experiences" or "they may not agree with different lived realities". Those are decidedly more cutting than the phrasing you used.

by pydry 4y ago

DoctorOW 4y ago

I think your example inadvertently proves why there is no left representation in America at all. Picking pronouns isn't some policy that was signed into law, it's just that the far right wants to make it illegal. The difference lies in the political figures touted as "left" in America have no left leaning policies, just watered down versions of the American right's agenda.

pydry 4y ago
Getting the working class to fight over performative wedge issues to divide and disempower them is entirely deliberate. That is, until Russian bots grab $500,000 of Facebook ads and a crowbar and join in the fun.
- DoctorOW 4y ago
  Ideally the growing resentment against capitalism and push for strong unions takes off even further. Blaming whatever minority is at best a band-aid on the gaping holes in the ruling class's narrative.
sixQuarks 4y ago
The right does not want to make the picking of pronouns illegal. Where did you get that? Nobody cares what annyone identifies as. The right’s position is that you are free to identify however you wish, but you still have to abide by certain things based on your biological birth when it directly affects other people. Right or wrong, don’t create a straw man.
- roflyear 4y ago
  I have a large conservative circle. That isn't their stance. They do not want trans people to exist at all.
  - sixQuarks 4y ago
    What do you mean by they don't want trans people to exist at all? Same way trans people do not want conservatives to exist at all, or something more sinister? Because I have many conservative friends and they may not agree with different life choices, but that doesn't mean they won't tolerate it. If you have a circle of people who want to eradicate trans people, I would not label them as conservatives first, they are psychopaths and I would not let them in my circle.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Thanks for asking me to clarify. I mean it in the literal sense: they want a world without trans people. I'm not interested really in getting into my subjective views on the harm I believe that leads to, but Ill answer and say no, I don't believe very many people want direct violence against trans people. I don't know if you can group trans people into a political category where you can say they all don't want conservatives to exist??? I literally know trans conservatives who voted for trump (you'd not be able to tell they are trans).
    - rented_mule 4y ago
      > they may not agree with different life choices I don't know what you intended, but phrasing it that way is a literal denial of the existence of trans people. Transitioning is a realization of who the person has always been, not a "life choice" to suddenly be someone different. Denying the existence of something and not wanting something to exist are not exactly the same thing, but there is a lot of overlap. Again, I don't know what you intended, but many people pointedly use the word "choice" around this topic. Your phrase would be more accurate if it said "they may not agree with different life experiences" or "they may not agree with different lived realities". Those are decidedly more cutting than the phrasing you used.