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> These people have the advantage of having abandoned civility, but they still get to weaponize civility to make sure their voice is heard without interruption,

> These people have the advantage of having abandoned civility, but they still get to weaponize civility to make sure their voice is heard without interruption, without immediate critique or debate, without consequence. This sounds similar to conservatives/right-ish people complaining about cancel culture. Generally most of your text strikes me as hyperbole, having actually made an effort to understand conservatives despite not really falling into their camp. Nothing you assert sounds familiar to me. This matters to me because the thing that made me listen to conservative voices in the first place was that their self-expressed beliefs never lined up with what people told me they thought. Crying wolf etc. At worst they’re religious freaks that don’t want to call a gay marriage a marriage (petty) and think trans stuff is a sexual fetish (out of touch). Yet I’m to believe in 2022 I’m going to get lynched for liking dick. I actively stopped caring about politics bc I can never tell anymore when people are trying to freak me out to get me to listen to them. This being said as someone who grew up gay and scared in the traditional underbelly of the US. Some specific reactions follow: > I don't agree with what this guy is saying about wanting trans people dragged away by cops and beaten Are you referring to some specific event, or is this just what you believe all non-lefty people secretly want? In what context, just generally if a born-X person publicly presents as Y? This version of trans opposition is foreign to me and makes no sense. > Leftists don't want Matt Walsh giving a talk at a university because he's going to do what he always does and in some form call for violence against LGBT people. I’ve only ever seen his JRE interview, do you mean explicit, general advocacy of literal physical violence against LGBT persons? I think he exploits general confusion around gender vs sex and concern for children, but I’ve never heard anyone advocate anything close to that. Matt specifically comes off as a troll. > So... when is that? When will we get to debate Steven Crowder in a public space? Doesn’t he literally go to public spaces with signs saying “change my mind”? > Leftists are forced to lash out at the false definition of civility that lets people say "I dunno, trans people are icky, let's just not let them pee in public,” but doesn't let people say "that's fucked up, where are trans people supposed to pee then?" In the bathroom associated with their biological sex? Also who is preventing trans activists from speaking? I think you have the power dynamics mixed up, every major US institution appears on-board with affirming trans identity. Honestly I don’t really understand why women need a whole separate bathroom to begin with.

komali2 4y ago
Re matt walsh it seems his most recent public statements haven't trickled into much of the HN consciousness, I recommend listening to him say in his own words how he wants people that do drag shows to have their doors kicked down and thrown in prison: https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/10/20/matt-walsh-police-need-to-break-down-the-doors-of-drag-shows/ https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/10/20/matt-walsh-police... > Doesn’t he literally go to public spaces with signs saying “change my mind”? Not anytime recently I'm aware of. He's a single example of the notoriously hard to pin down and debate conservative crowd. He famously dodges debates with liberal intellectuals. Sam something. I'm out right now, can't remember name. > In the bathroom associated with their biological sex? Also who is preventing trans activists from speaking? Schools across the usa are limiting trans students rights to use bathrooms, getting banned from participating in sports, etc. Weird legislation is being proposed to check student genitals. It's getting super weird in America and I recommend poking around a bit if interested, though I also avoid usa news now, mostly because it depresses me. > Honestly I don’t really understand why women need a whole separate bathroom to begin with. I don't understand why men have a different bathroom lol I think it's a little curious you said it like that instead of "I don't understand why we separate bathroom based on gender " Neither do I for what it's worth but it's kinda moot when LGBT people are being shot because of the rhetoric in the usa right now > Yet I’m to believe in 2022 I’m going to get lynched for liking dick. In the usa it's more likely you'll be shot while congregating in places known to serve LGBT people. I don't get why you're like... Downplaying that there's violence against LGBT people in the usa?
- Mezzie 4y ago
  > In the usa it's more likely you'll be shot while congregating in places known to serve LGBT people. I don't get why you're like... Downplaying that there's violence against LGBT people in the usa? To be flippant (and gay): I'm also likely to be shot at a Walmart, a parade, or any other place just going about my business. Luckily I'm not a teacher, so I don't spend a ton of time in schools. I'm pretty sure I'm more at risk statistically in going grocery shopping, to the movies, etc.
- malwrar 4y ago
  > I recommend listening to him say in his own words how he wants people that do drag shows to have their doors kicked down and thrown in prison: Fair enough, this guy seems pretty out of touch with reality listening to this clip. I’ll listen more carefully to similar speech in the future. > Sam something. I'm out right now, can't remember name Sam Harris maybe? > I think it's a little curious you said it like that instead of "I don't understand why we separate bathroom based on gender " I assume men aren’t protesting women (gender or sex) entering their bathroom, the issue has always come across as a protect women from creeps thing. Your version is better though. > Schools across the usa are limiting trans students rights to use bathrooms, getting banned from participating in sports, etc. Just more protection stuff afaict, in the case of sports around sex-based physical differences leading to unfair advantage and possible physical harm. Am I uninformed and transpeople are getting banned outright? > I also avoid usa news now, mostly because it depresses me Yeah feel that, I just feel helpless and scared reading the news. It’s a beautiful country though, and on a person-by-person basis I’ve found people to be mostly wonderful. I try to hold on to that. > I don't get why you're like... Downplaying that there's violence against LGBT people in the usa? Violence against LGBT people is a reality, it’s just rare enough and punished sufficiently now that I’m prepared to mourn but write it off (from a personal risk perspective) as the occasional savage and continue going to gay bars unworried. I’m more frightened about getting mugged on my way to the bar. That or people not listening if it does start getting really bad because people just stop believing us.

komali2 4y ago

Re matt walsh it seems his most recent public statements haven't trickled into much of the HN consciousness, I recommend listening to him say in his own words how he wants people that do drag shows to have their doors kicked down and thrown in prison: https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/10/20/matt-walsh-police-need-to-break-down-the-doors-of-drag-shows/ https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/10/20/matt-walsh-police... > Doesn’t he literally go to public spaces with signs saying “change my mind”? Not anytime recently I'm aware of. He's a single example of the notoriously hard to pin down and debate conservative crowd. He famously dodges debates with liberal intellectuals. Sam something. I'm out right now, can't remember name. > In the bathroom associated with their biological sex? Also who is preventing trans activists from speaking? Schools across the usa are limiting trans students rights to use bathrooms, getting banned from participating in sports, etc. Weird legislation is being proposed to check student genitals. It's getting super weird in America and I recommend poking around a bit if interested, though I also avoid usa news now, mostly because it depresses me. > Honestly I don’t really understand why women need a whole separate bathroom to begin with. I don't understand why men have a different bathroom lol I think it's a little curious you said it like that instead of "I don't understand why we separate bathroom based on gender " Neither do I for what it's worth but it's kinda moot when LGBT people are being shot because of the rhetoric in the usa right now > Yet I’m to believe in 2022 I’m going to get lynched for liking dick. In the usa it's more likely you'll be shot while congregating in places known to serve LGBT people. I don't get why you're like... Downplaying that there's violence against LGBT people in the usa?

Mezzie 4y ago
> In the usa it's more likely you'll be shot while congregating in places known to serve LGBT people. I don't get why you're like... Downplaying that there's violence against LGBT people in the usa? To be flippant (and gay): I'm also likely to be shot at a Walmart, a parade, or any other place just going about my business. Luckily I'm not a teacher, so I don't spend a ton of time in schools. I'm pretty sure I'm more at risk statistically in going grocery shopping, to the movies, etc.
malwrar 4y ago
> I recommend listening to him say in his own words how he wants people that do drag shows to have their doors kicked down and thrown in prison: Fair enough, this guy seems pretty out of touch with reality listening to this clip. I’ll listen more carefully to similar speech in the future. > Sam something. I'm out right now, can't remember name Sam Harris maybe? > I think it's a little curious you said it like that instead of "I don't understand why we separate bathroom based on gender " I assume men aren’t protesting women (gender or sex) entering their bathroom, the issue has always come across as a protect women from creeps thing. Your version is better though. > Schools across the usa are limiting trans students rights to use bathrooms, getting banned from participating in sports, etc. Just more protection stuff afaict, in the case of sports around sex-based physical differences leading to unfair advantage and possible physical harm. Am I uninformed and transpeople are getting banned outright? > I also avoid usa news now, mostly because it depresses me Yeah feel that, I just feel helpless and scared reading the news. It’s a beautiful country though, and on a person-by-person basis I’ve found people to be mostly wonderful. I try to hold on to that. > I don't get why you're like... Downplaying that there's violence against LGBT people in the usa? Violence against LGBT people is a reality, it’s just rare enough and punished sufficiently now that I’m prepared to mourn but write it off (from a personal risk perspective) as the occasional savage and continue going to gay bars unworried. I’m more frightened about getting mugged on my way to the bar. That or people not listening if it does start getting really bad because people just stop believing us.