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Libel is legal until a court declares that it isn't and I wouldn't want it to be legal for people to be charged with libel without a court proceeding. Death th

Libel is legal until a court declares that it isn't and I wouldn't want it to be legal for people to be charged with libel without a court proceeding. Death threats are considered to be an intent to act so there is probable harm and the person is usually charged criminally to prevent them from doing what they said they would. However, saying you hope someone dies is not a crime and as much as I think it incites some bad emotions is considered free speech. Hopefully we can live in a society where people just act like normal adults and the ones saying outlandish things are not given a lot of attention.

Taniwha 4y ago
Charging is what happens BEFORE a court proceeding, it's done by a prosecutor, not a judge Also I'm pretty sure that when a court finds that something is libellous it's deemed to have always been libellous from the moment it was done (may depend on what country you're in)
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  While I generally agree, charge can have multiple meanings in a legal context. It just isn't limited to criminal charges. Usually when someone is found guilty of libel they are ordered to stop doing the action as well which means they can be held in contempt if they don't.
P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
And to be crystal clear here, at least in the US. threats of violence, up to and including death threats, are completely legal. What's not legal is threats of violence with both the intent and the means to follow through. If an 80 year old man walks up to and tells me they're going to kick the shit out of me, it's perfectly legal. Not only is it legal, no one is going to do anything about it until that man actually attacks me. If The Rock walks up to me and tells me he's going to kick the shit out of me, it's very clearly illegal (assuming we know intent, of course) and he will go to jail for it. This is why things like repeating can also be illegal. If you never have the intent or the means to follow through with a threat, but do it repeatedly to affect mental state, that too is illegal for a different reason. But the presumption that this speech is de facto not legal is absolutely incorrect, in the US at least. ---- Libel is not criminal in any way, shape, or form, and is a bad example as a result.

Taniwha 4y ago

Charging is what happens BEFORE a court proceeding, it's done by a prosecutor, not a judge Also I'm pretty sure that when a court finds that something is libellous it's deemed to have always been libellous from the moment it was done (may depend on what country you're in)

encryptluks2 4y ago
While I generally agree, charge can have multiple meanings in a legal context. It just isn't limited to criminal charges. Usually when someone is found guilty of libel they are ordered to stop doing the action as well which means they can be held in contempt if they don't.

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago

And to be crystal clear here, at least in the US. threats of violence, up to and including death threats, are completely legal. What's not legal is threats of violence with both the intent and the means to follow through. If an 80 year old man walks up to and tells me they're going to kick the shit out of me, it's perfectly legal. Not only is it legal, no one is going to do anything about it until that man actually attacks me. If The Rock walks up to me and tells me he's going to kick the shit out of me, it's very clearly illegal (assuming we know intent, of course) and he will go to jail for it. This is why things like repeating can also be illegal. If you never have the intent or the means to follow through with a threat, but do it repeatedly to affect mental state, that too is illegal for a different reason. But the presumption that this speech is de facto not legal is absolutely incorrect, in the US at least. ---- Libel is not criminal in any way, shape, or form, and is a bad example as a result.