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So Gmail killed desktop apps because... they launched a web app? With IMAP? Sure. Native apps are a dying bread and email apps are incredibly complex, making i

So Gmail killed desktop apps because... they launched a web app? With IMAP? Sure. Native apps are a dying bread and email apps are incredibly complex, making it a terrible business with a few exceptions. Gmail also has the best search and filters you can find in any email app.

blacklion 4y ago
They killed desktop apps and severe damaged self-hosting (where "self" is "extended self", like hosting by small ISP, or group of friends, like this). My new $job uses gmail-for-business as e-mail and it is very inconvenient. In HR process I've received each email from this company to my own domain, but not e-mails with meeting invitations. Why? Nobody knows. Nobody could debug. Because gmail. It was not problem on my side, my MTA didn;t get connections from gmail side for such messages. Plain text - Ok. Meeting invitation - go directly yo black hole. Why? BECAUSE GOOGLE. I was forced to use my gmail account (which I use for garbage registrations on different sites) for this communication. My own (and not only my) messages from self-hosted domains sometimes gives 450 on gmail. Why? Nobody knows. It looks like spam. From domain with crystal-clear history for 10+ years according to all anti-spam services. It could be 450 now ad 200 in hour. It could be 550 now and 200 when re-sended without changing any letter. And, worse of all, it could be 200 on SMTP level and never shown in recipient's inbox (including SPAM folder!). Shadow ban. For one message out of 10 this day. Why? Because google. So much for federation! And now I need to use gmail at my new $job. Oh my. Filters are so primitive after sieve... And it can not be solved on client side, of course... EDIT: I have one simple question about "best filters" - how to create filter which will place message under label which is derived from content of "List-Id" header, not known beforehand? It is trivial task in sieve (including stripping common domains and creating hierarchical folders from long names with delimiters), but I can not find solution for gmail "best filters".

blacklion 4y ago

They killed desktop apps and severe damaged self-hosting (where "self" is "extended self", like hosting by small ISP, or group of friends, like this). My new $job uses gmail-for-business as e-mail and it is very inconvenient. In HR process I've received each email from this company to my own domain, but not e-mails with meeting invitations. Why? Nobody knows. Nobody could debug. Because gmail. It was not problem on my side, my MTA didn;t get connections from gmail side for such messages. Plain text - Ok. Meeting invitation - go directly yo black hole. Why? BECAUSE GOOGLE. I was forced to use my gmail account (which I use for garbage registrations on different sites) for this communication. My own (and not only my) messages from self-hosted domains sometimes gives 450 on gmail. Why? Nobody knows. It looks like spam. From domain with crystal-clear history for 10+ years according to all anti-spam services. It could be 450 now ad 200 in hour. It could be 550 now and 200 when re-sended without changing any letter. And, worse of all, it could be 200 on SMTP level and never shown in recipient's inbox (including SPAM folder!). Shadow ban. For one message out of 10 this day. Why? Because google. So much for federation! And now I need to use gmail at my new $job. Oh my. Filters are so primitive after sieve... And it can not be solved on client side, of course... EDIT: I have one simple question about "best filters" - how to create filter which will place message under label which is derived from content of "List-Id" header, not known beforehand? It is trivial task in sieve (including stripping common domains and creating hierarchical folders from long names with delimiters), but I can not find solution for gmail "best filters".