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> gmail is one of the main reasons why e-mail is mostly dead outside coroprations. Gmail is one of the main reasons why email is used by almost everyone. Toget

> gmail is one of the main reasons why e-mail is mostly dead outside coroprations. Gmail is one of the main reasons why email is used by almost everyone. Together. It made e-mail truly accessible, and made it so anyone can use email, and can email anyone else. It was always used by corps (or universities), and some indie folk ram it themselves (I too tried running mine on-off for like 5 years and gave up recently). Gmail was one of the people that made it harder for indie folks, in the name of spam prevention, but it hardly killed e-mail. Everyone has email now. It’s not a walled garden, it’s just productized and made palatable for the masses. Apple runs an e-mail service too, as does most major tech companies. There are plenty of third party clients, with plenty of features, gmail be damned. I use third party clients, and they solve my needs, so i know they exist, even if maybe the ones you wanted don’t exist. > So your example is very... illustrative, so to say. Yes. While I disagree with your view on the state of email, I think that if I’m right about a successful mastadon, we’ll have parallel opinions then too.

blacklion 4y ago
> Gmail is one of the main reasons why email is used by almost everyone. Are you sure? When do you receive e-mail from live person, not robot (yes, each online shop will spam your forever after one buy), neither notification from automated system neither forum and not related to you job? I'm 45, and I'm using email from 1997, but I can not remember when I receive or send "personal letter" by e-mail for last, hmmm, five years? Yes, of course, there are tons of e-mails at my $job (but, again, mostly from automated systems, persons prefer Slack now!), there are ton of notifications, promotions, etc. Also, yes, I'm dinosaur and I'm using mailing lists for some "nerdy" and very old-skool projects, which is nearest thing to person-to-person communication in my inbox. All real person-to-person communication with my (extended) family, friends, many groups of interest (not connected to IT, like hiking or off-road motorcycling) are in other media now - mostly Telegram groups. Not e-mail. And before gmail (2004) I can not remember any person I want to communicate who was equipped with PC and didn't have e-mail. And ICQ. Which required e-mail to register, not phone number. Of course, my grandma didn't have e-mail in 2004, but she didn't have any device for it in 2004, either.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  > I'm 45, and I'm using email from 1997, but I can not remember when I receive or send "personal letter" by e-mail for last, hmmm, five years? Yes, of course, there are tons of e-mails at my $job I’m not quite as old, and haven’t spent quite as much time using e-mail, but my memory says that I’ve basically always received vaguely the same amount of human emails, but the automated volume has continued to increase.

blacklion 4y ago

> Gmail is one of the main reasons why email is used by almost everyone. Are you sure? When do you receive e-mail from live person, not robot (yes, each online shop will spam your forever after one buy), neither notification from automated system neither forum and not related to you job? I'm 45, and I'm using email from 1997, but I can not remember when I receive or send "personal letter" by e-mail for last, hmmm, five years? Yes, of course, there are tons of e-mails at my $job (but, again, mostly from automated systems, persons prefer Slack now!), there are ton of notifications, promotions, etc. Also, yes, I'm dinosaur and I'm using mailing lists for some "nerdy" and very old-skool projects, which is nearest thing to person-to-person communication in my inbox. All real person-to-person communication with my (extended) family, friends, many groups of interest (not connected to IT, like hiking or off-road motorcycling) are in other media now - mostly Telegram groups. Not e-mail. And before gmail (2004) I can not remember any person I want to communicate who was equipped with PC and didn't have e-mail. And ICQ. Which required e-mail to register, not phone number. Of course, my grandma didn't have e-mail in 2004, but she didn't have any device for it in 2004, either.

vineyardmike 4y ago
> I'm 45, and I'm using email from 1997, but I can not remember when I receive or send "personal letter" by e-mail for last, hmmm, five years? Yes, of course, there are tons of e-mails at my $job I’m not quite as old, and haven’t spent quite as much time using e-mail, but my memory says that I’ve basically always received vaguely the same amount of human emails, but the automated volume has continued to increase.