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The Dreamcast didn’t come with CE. There was just a version that could be used /with/ the DC. For some reason people equate “compatible with Windows CE” sticke

by helf 4y ago

The Dreamcast didn’t come with CE. There was just a version that could be used /with/ the DC. For some reason people equate “compatible with Windows CE” stickers with “runs Windows CE when you turn it on”

safety1st 4y ago
According to segaretro.org the Dreamcast did actually run an "optimized" version of WinCE (painful acronym) with DirectX. Some games ran on top of it but most ran a different OS that actually booted off of the game disc. https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE
- helf 4y ago
  From that link: “ In the end, Sega chose to go down a different route than what was originally planned - bundling simple operating systems within the discs themselves. Running games through Windows CE was still an option for developers, but most games used Sega's proprietary software instead. The limited adoption of Windows CE is often blamed on console programmers lacking the experience to deal with the OS, and a lack of advantages that Windows CE offered over the competition.” It doesn’t by default boot to CE. It /is/ an option though. But it doesn’t boot it from an internal ROM.
  - djmips 4y ago
    Or having the experience to not want to deal with that OS
    - Firmwarrior 4y ago
      Yeah, what an odd decision. I did a lot of work on CE back in the day, and I'm not a pro game dev by any means, but I don't know what advantage it would offer over any SDK that abstracted the hardware a little CE was a very lightweight OS that was mostly nice for making it easier to port drivers and apps from one embedded system to another Maybe Sega had some vague plans to turn the Dreamcast into a multipurpose family computer?
      - helf 4y ago
        Considering it had a modem, could have an Ethernet module added, had official Web Browser Discs, had official Keyboard and Mouse accessories (I have all of these except the darn Ethernet module)… I think they were. Or at least a “web TV” -esque plan. It had a ton of potential. The hardware is still fast enough to do basic browsing etc without issue if it had an updated browser.
- Grazester 4y ago
  It should be noted that the Dreamcast doesn't have any built in OS. Windows CE libraries were booted of the GD-Rom discs.
numpad0 4y ago
I think it’s reasonable to assume what is on the box comes in the box. It’s not very intuitive that CE is merely available as an SDK option, and that it is only included in the boot media if developer wishes to do so. Also slightly disappointing that it could have been the first console that don’t need to go through reset/reboot when changing games, though that would have been too ahead of its time.
- helf 4y ago
  I would agree if the sticker on the box didn’t say “compatible” :p

by helf 4y ago

safety1st 4y ago

According to segaretro.org the Dreamcast did actually run an "optimized" version of WinCE (painful acronym) with DirectX. Some games ran on top of it but most ran a different OS that actually booted off of the game disc. https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE

helf 4y ago
From that link: “ In the end, Sega chose to go down a different route than what was originally planned - bundling simple operating systems within the discs themselves. Running games through Windows CE was still an option for developers, but most games used Sega's proprietary software instead. The limited adoption of Windows CE is often blamed on console programmers lacking the experience to deal with the OS, and a lack of advantages that Windows CE offered over the competition.” It doesn’t by default boot to CE. It /is/ an option though. But it doesn’t boot it from an internal ROM.
- djmips 4y ago
  Or having the experience to not want to deal with that OS
  - Firmwarrior 4y ago
    Yeah, what an odd decision. I did a lot of work on CE back in the day, and I'm not a pro game dev by any means, but I don't know what advantage it would offer over any SDK that abstracted the hardware a little CE was a very lightweight OS that was mostly nice for making it easier to port drivers and apps from one embedded system to another Maybe Sega had some vague plans to turn the Dreamcast into a multipurpose family computer?
    - helf 4y ago
      Considering it had a modem, could have an Ethernet module added, had official Web Browser Discs, had official Keyboard and Mouse accessories (I have all of these except the darn Ethernet module)… I think they were. Or at least a “web TV” -esque plan. It had a ton of potential. The hardware is still fast enough to do basic browsing etc without issue if it had an updated browser.
Grazester 4y ago
It should be noted that the Dreamcast doesn't have any built in OS. Windows CE libraries were booted of the GD-Rom discs.

numpad0 4y ago

I think it’s reasonable to assume what is on the box comes in the box. It’s not very intuitive that CE is merely available as an SDK option, and that it is only included in the boot media if developer wishes to do so. Also slightly disappointing that it could have been the first console that don’t need to go through reset/reboot when changing games, though that would have been too ahead of its time.

helf 4y ago
I would agree if the sticker on the box didn’t say “compatible” :p