3 ms·

> do you really think that someone with a criminal history would never go to a protest? 1. Just because some criminals attend protests, doesn't mean that is it

> do you really think that someone with a criminal history would never go to a protest? 1. Just because some criminals attend protests, doesn't mean that is it typical. All 3 people that Kyle shot had criminal backgrounds. What are the odds of this happening in a random sample of all protests? Clearly this wasn't your average protest. White criminals protesting for black people's civil rights? 2. It is important to note that everyone has the right to peacefully assemble and express their views, regardless of their criminal history. However this was not a peaceful protest, as property was being actively destroyed. 3. Criminal justice system forces plea bargains in return for cooperation. Even innocent people will plea bargain under duress. Threats of lengthy prison sentences or harsh treatment, or a parole officer revoking parole is how the system extorts cooperation. Becoming an informant is the only leverage someone like Joseph Rosenbaum may have had. 4. Let's assume you're right. They were there for civil rights protest. But that seems like a conflict in your own thinking. Since the core issue was governments abuse of civil rights. Which would be a giant conspiracy. Which you seem to wave away as being a possibility. I gave specific examples where other government's intelligence agencies in the past were known to do send in agent provocateurs. Why do you think America is exceptional?

lovich 4y ago
What does point number 2 even mean in terms of your argument, it’s just tossed in there like it’s relevant. And your point 4 makes zero sense? How is protesting the governments abuse of civil rights a conspiracy? For point 1, people willing to go out and do action are more likely to be criminals than someone who stay home. On top of that this is just large numbers making rare circumstances occur. You’d likely point to the birthday problem[1] as a shadowy conspiracy if this is enough to make you think of government involvement. For point 3 you’re making the claim that he could have been an informant stretch to imply that he was. You have failed to outline how they would have been recruited or for what purpose. Show some evidence instead of making vague implications. Actually fuck, I’m even letting you get too much leeway there. Informants do not actively go out in public and start physical fights with people holding a gun. Even if he happened to have been an informant that would not imply the government put him up to attacking rittenhouse. You’ve gotten too conspiracy brained if you look at rittenhouse event and conclude the government must have set it up. What would they have even gained?

lovich 4y ago

What does point number 2 even mean in terms of your argument, it’s just tossed in there like it’s relevant. And your point 4 makes zero sense? How is protesting the governments abuse of civil rights a conspiracy? For point 1, people willing to go out and do action are more likely to be criminals than someone who stay home. On top of that this is just large numbers making rare circumstances occur. You’d likely point to the birthday problem[1] as a shadowy conspiracy if this is enough to make you think of government involvement. For point 3 you’re making the claim that he could have been an informant stretch to imply that he was. You have failed to outline how they would have been recruited or for what purpose. Show some evidence instead of making vague implications. Actually fuck, I’m even letting you get too much leeway there. Informants do not actively go out in public and start physical fights with people holding a gun. Even if he happened to have been an informant that would not imply the government put him up to attacking rittenhouse. You’ve gotten too conspiracy brained if you look at rittenhouse event and conclude the government must have set it up. What would they have even gained?